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Presidential Election 2025

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Nope. I am not the one supporting security threats to the State. Are the Gardai untrustworthy now? Have we to move to “community policing” as in the North 30 years ago?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,670 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    They also signed up to a peace process. Eirigi and their fellows have not.

    I'm not at all thrilled at having SF convicts in the Dail but under the GFA we have all had to accept things we'd rather not, for the greater good.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 747 ✭✭✭feelings


    Sergeant Maurice McCabe and John Wilson? Garda phone recordings? Morris tribunal? Bugging? etc etc Ring a bell?. You can understand if some people don't trust the Gardai.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,789 ✭✭✭Hoboo


    HH has openly said she is in support of increased European spend on war and the good guys of NATO.

    I’d say that’s far more of a security threat than some administrator typing reports.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,597 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Who was a 'security threat'?

    Mairia Cahill, who nobody knew what she had done in RNU was more of a security threat than this woman who had served her sentence and came recommended by a variety of TD's whose job it was to work with such people.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,670 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    It did work as intended but that's not the point. The point is Catherine Connolly's extremely poor judgement in thinking she could employ a dissident republican straight out of prison into the Houses of the Oireachtas. Another point is her apparent fondness for Eirigi "activists" who went on to be convicted of terrorist offences, because this young lady isn't the only one, she stood bail for another one who went on to be convicted and jailed. Why?

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,597 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    O'Cuiv who Connolly sought out for his opinion recommended her 'particularly' and he is completely written out of the story by the Journal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,765 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    They might not make it into any of those jobs, correct, but is that right? Are we to vilify these people for the rest of their lives and make them always feel different and unwelcome?

    If you keep driving a wedge between the rehabilitated former criminals and everybody else you will only push them away resulting in them either commiting suicide or back into the life of criminality they had before being incarcerated. Neither result being of any use to society at wide or to the justice system

    As a side note, to use your example, knowing your way around a firearm is a good skill for joining the armed response unit or the military



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 747 ✭✭✭feelings


    Again no mention of you condemning O'Cuiv for his recommendation? Convenient.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 680 ✭✭✭rdwight


    People with better judgement than Catherine Connolly hopefully



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,638 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    The Taoiseach called it a "serious lack of judgement," yet stayed silent on the fact that the candidate was actually recommended by a FF TD, Éamon Ó Cuív

    Obviously Martin isn't go to be laying into O'Cuiv straight out the gate but I don't think he'll be slow in fecking him under the bus if the heat comes on…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,877 ✭✭✭Downlinz


    It'll be deja vu again for FF members when Micheál pushes his hand selected "ticks all the boxes" successor in Jack Chambers as opposed to someone more connected with the grassroots.

    If Jim Gavin's campaign were to crash and burn it'd create a lot of doubt in Micheál's judgement and vision for the party and increase the appetite for a different direction which many may wish to see after the Billy Kelleher fiasco.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,597 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    MM cannot wash his hands of what this committee were doing. It would be utterly hypocritical of him (well maybe he could!)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 680 ✭✭✭rdwight


    This is what hotblack posted a little while ago:

    "Reintegrating ex-cons into society doesn't mean giving them security clearances into the heart of our parliament.

    O'Cuiv has long proven himself to be an idiot but he's not running for president, Catherine is"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,847 ✭✭✭MFPM


    'Certain quarters' - 'hypocrites' - 'here they are' - 'they seem to think' , ' their earlier nonsense'…

    Might I suggest, if you're going to adopt this posting methodology that you'd have the courage to identify the people you're discussing otherwise you're simply making sweeping statements or posting untruths.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,865 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    It ain't a non story, my friend, in fact its very far from being a non story



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,218 ✭✭✭Burt Renaults


    When one candidate is consistently performing so much better than the other two, they have a responsibility to make it a story. Luckily for Catherine Connolly, she's very good at calmly and almost effortlessly defending herself.

    The more they throw at her, the more impressive she becomes. 100% more worthy president than the other two - neither of whom can string a sentence together in English, let alone our native language.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,152 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    It has occurred to me at this stage there are boards.ie politics posters who would make better politicians than Connolly or Gavin.
    Posters who, obfuscate , imply, needle, nudge, minimise in argument. Or pick a sentence out of context, jump on a half truth ignoring the parts that don’t suit etc

    Connolly or Gavin don’t do that they are either too honest, or too gullible.

    HH is the only one with any kind of political savvy to her. She would survive on any boards thread.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,849 ✭✭✭Working class heroes


    Racism is now hiding behind the cloak of Community activism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,451 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Do I have to be a GAAhead to understand the rationale of putting a convicted violent offender out a representative of their county and supposed role model to young people?
    My main gripe is the double-standard of attacking on Connolly for giving one offender a second chance, something which seems to have been a successful rehabilitation tactic, while turning a blind eye to Gavin giving an offender a second chance, something which seems to have been an unsuccessful rehabilitation tactic



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,886 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    So somebody who has never been convicted of something is less trustworthy than someone who has?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,152 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    I will explain to you the problem with your premise it is fundamentally flawed. As it a false equivalency argument equating two very different scenarios.

    It is not solely based on rehabilitation as you are trying to frame it as.

    One individual was deemed a sufficient threat - following Garda vetting to not receive full accreditation to work in Leinster house. As she was deemed a sufficient security threat to the State at that particular time.

    The other individual was an amateur sportsman who committed public order offence(s) who was not a security threat to the state. And had no involvement in any work that could place him in a position to be a threat to the State, even if he was deemed a threat.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,597 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I didn't say less trustworthy, I said that because she hid her membership of a group associated with the New IRA we didn't know what she had done or sanctioned, we know the other woman served her time and sufficiently impressed a cross party committee tasked to work with prisoners to earn a recommendation or endorsement. As yet the Gardai have not said anything, so we don't know about that either.

    I don't have an issue with Cahill getting work btw, (bar her hiding her membership) but it's hypocrisy of the highest order to select who to be outraged about in this way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,886 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Can guarantee if the shoe was on the other foot and a different candidate had this decision in their past you'd be out against it. It's comical.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,854 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    Probably not wise to be defaming a public figure.

    Somehow - Connolly has managed to avoid ever being convicted of assault.

    In both cases the judges deemed that he had been supposedly rehabilitated via restorative justice, and in one case struck out the charges and in the other applied the Probation Act.

    https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/crime/dublin-football-star-diarmuid-connolly-4524807

    https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2024/0627/1456952-diarmuid-connolly-court/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,597 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    No, I totally support rehabilitation. I come from an area that has seen lots of it and successfully.
    If she was still a member of Éirigí then that would be a problem.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,597 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    O'Cuiv enters the fray:



    Former Fianna Fáil minister Éamon Ó Cuív has defended Independent presidential candidate Catherine Connolly and said he does not agree with criticism from the Taoiseach over her hiring of a woman convicted of firearms offences.

    Mr Ó Cuív said he was “surprised” that Micheál Martin did not speak to him before publicly making comments on the matter, given his role over a number of years in visiting republican prisoners and in recommending the woman to Ms Connolly.

    Ursula Shannon (also Ní Shionnáin) was hired as an administrative support worker for Ms Cononlly in the Oireachtas in 2018, shortly after she was released from prison after serving over four years for unlawful possession of firearms and possession of ammunition.

    Ms Shannon had been linked to the Éirígí – a republican organisation which opposed the peace process. She was not granted a Dáil pass while a vetting process was being conducted, but was signed in and out by Ms Connolly.

    Earlier, the Taoiseach said this indicates “a very serious lack of judgement” on Ms Connolly’s part.

    “In terms of someone who has apparently served four and a half years in prison for possession of firearms, and is also a member of an organisation that did everything to undermine the Irish peace process, that would indicate a very serious lack of judgement,” he said.

    But Mr Ó Cuív, a former Fianna Fáil TD in Ms Connolly's Galway constituency, said he disagreed with these comments, and asked “how can we talk seriously about reconciliation if we make a puff of smoke over this?”

    “I am surprised somebody didn’t contact me before [Mr Martin] made those comments,” he said.

    The former Galway West TD said Ms Shannon had a PhD in social linguistics, that he had visited her a number of times in prison and had conversations with her on socialism, the economy and political philosophy.

    She was not someone who posed any security threat and is now an active member of society, he said. "People that I visited involved in republicanism have a right to be brought into the process. If you are going to lock them out of society forever, then we will never progress,” he said.

    “Catherine is right. I was asked. I gave a strong recommendation. I see no problem with that and I’m surprised that anybody does,” Mr Ó Cuív told the Irish Independent.

    “My view at the time was that if you want to bring about peace, you have to take these steps. And time has proved me 100pc right. What she has done since, she has been an Irish language officer in a number of organisations, she has small children and a job and is a regular member of society."

    “I am surprised somebody didn’t contact me before [Mr Martin] made those comments, given that it’s well known that I have been working on these issues for a long time,” he added.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,152 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Surely the issue is not solely rehabilitation here though? To focus on that alone is a red herring. As the reason Ursula Ní Shionnáin was not allowed full access on her own in Leinster house. Because she was flagged as a security threat at the time.

    Connolly glossed over that part and spoke on the rehabilitation/hypocrisy angle. Instead of the perceived threat to the state by Ursula Ní Shionnáin, (Due to the sensitivity of working in Leinster House)

    This was the result following Gardai vetting process. Which was independent.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,597 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


     Because she was flagged as a security threat at the time.

    Where has this been confirmed?
    Connolly said there was no contact with Gardai and she didn't appeal anything



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,152 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    It was mentioned in the Connolly interview with Byrne this morning. Ursula Ní Shionnáin had to be met by Connolly or a.n other each morning to let her in as she was not provided with a full pass.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



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