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Northern Ireland 2125?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,178 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I really think we are seeing the actual 'sectarians' now with their refusal to understand what ALL means and who only wish to talk about the displays of ONE community.
    'Rumbled' I think is the poetic word for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,708 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Please just answer the questions, because you have been tumbled yourself. As well as GAA matches stopped in N.I. for 20 years, as they are associated with one side up north, when you want to ban ALL parades do you want to ban all St. Patricks day parades on the island, like Mary Lou behind her political banner at this one in N.Y.?

    Do you agree with all Kneecap performances being banned because their name, balaclava etc reference terrorist means of torture, and by calling for MPs to be murdered it is clear they are not democrats? Why should a music performance from a July 12th band be banned but Kneecap not?

    😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,178 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady



    I have answered your questions.

    You want me to answer specific questions to indulge your sectarian fetish.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,708 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    You have not answered it. A yes or no would have sufficed but instead you diverted. Do try harder.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,178 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    When you figure out what ALL means and drop the sectarian angle, get back to me.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,708 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    You say "Most people in the rest of Ireland dont know what religious background their neighbours or colleagues come from." But if they discover their husband was in the O.O., as HH's husband was, they can get hundreds if not thousands of sectarian attacks, like HH herself personally did on facebook, even though she tries to minimise the attacks by pleading she is a proud republican herself, leave her alone. I'd say the people who set fire to the Presbyterian church in Drum in 1999, or the church hall elsewhere in Co. Monaghan in '99, knew what religious background they were.

    As regards your claim of a couple of protestant background families who moved south of the border as they say they did'nt want to live in a sectarian society, what would you say if someone said they knew some catholics who moved north to live in a more sectarian society? Not very logical?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,708 ✭✭✭Francis McM


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,708 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    As someone else said, you do not even know you are sectarian, and neither do you think the party you follow was ever sectarian.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,178 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    It is beyond foolishness and completely reckless not to begin preparations. When things change they will change very quickly.
    Katy Hayward is a contributor to Arins which is a part of the Irish government's Shared Island project.

    A LEADING academic believes trends identified in a major survey will have implications for when a border poll is called.

    Queen’s University’s Professor Katy Hayward made the remarks in relation to the 2024 Northern Ireland Life & Times (NILT) survey.

    The research shows the margin between those who would vote for a united Ireland and those advocating the constitutional status quo halved in the space of 12 months.

    The June study showed that support for Irish unity has increased by more than one-third since 2017, while the number favouring the union has fallen by 13 percentage points during the same period.

    There is now just six percentage points separating those who’d vote ‘Yes’ (36%) to unity if a border poll were held tomorrow and those who’d vote ‘No’ (42%).

    A year before there was a 12 percentage point difference between the two groups and just six years previously the margin stood at 33 points.

    “A change in the views of 3% of respondents from ‘No’ to ‘Yes’ (thus making both 39%) could present cause for consideration by the secretary of state,” Professor Hayward said.

    “To put this in perspective, findings from other questions help to provide the necessarily broader picture.”

    Foyle MP Colum Eastwood, who chairs the SDLP’s New Ireland Commission, said the latest data “adds to the growing body of evidence that more people are thinking about a different kind of future”.

    “Trends like this are good news for those of us who believe in the power and potential of Irish unity – the big chance to set an economic, social and constitutional path that’s different from the quagmire of Britain,” he said.

    “We’re entering an era of unprecedented opportunity to build a new Ireland together.”

    Irish News columnist and Slugger O’Toole deputy editor David McCann said it was “significant” that the gap between the two constitutional options was now down to single digits for the first time in the history of the NILT survey.

    “What is clear is yet another analysis of public opinion is showing the pro-union option below 50%, when not long ago they could consistently depend on majority support,” he said.

    Professor Katy Hayward of Queen’s University Belfast made her remarks in relation to the 2024 Northern Ireland Life & Times (NILT) survey

    He said falling support for the status quo would “give unionist leaders food for thought”.

    “Those who are undecided who are consistently polling in the mid teens are going to be key in deciding who will win a referendum and the outcome of that is all to play for,” he said.

    Narrowing margin on constitutional question to bring border poll pressure on secretary of state – The Irish News



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,708 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    The sample size was quite small ( 1199 ) and the question phrased in such a way to entice a yes vote.

    "Suppose there was a referendum tomorrow on the future of Northern Ireland and you were being asked to vote on whether Northern Ireland should unify with the Republic of Ireland. Would you vote 'yes' to unify with the Republic or 'no'"

    What about if the question was phrased "Suppose there was a referendum tomorrow on the future of Northern Ireland and you were being asked to vote on whether Northern Ireland should remain united in the U.K. Would you vote 'yes' to unity with the UK or 'no'"

    Never mind if a question was phrased " would you like to pay for the Rep of Ireland to take over N.I., and for N.I. to leave the security of the UK"

    How a question is phrased, even who dies the poll can help determine the outcome.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,708 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Talking about polls, instead of airy fairy aspitational polls ( like asking voters in Britain before Brexit would they like more control of their own affairs : of course people will vote for that ).

    Here is a poll showing less than a third of voters agree with Belfast City Council’s current policy on dual language signage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,178 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,708 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    There are about one and a half million adults / people entitled to vote in a hypothetical border poll in N.I.

    The 1199 people polled is only about 00.06% of the adult population. Anyway, the way the question was worded was designed to entice a vote in favour of a U.I.

    What do you think of the poll showing less than a third of voters agree with Belfast City Council’s current policy on dual language signage. Of course you still think Belfast City Council, controlled by SF, is still right and over two thirds of voters are wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,178 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    It is a perfectly normal polling size.


    Voters will have a chance to have their say on their councillors at the next election. The Council passed the motions in a democratic vote by a democratic majority.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,708 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Incidentally, you did not answer this question this morning, instead you diverted away:

    Did you ever condemn the murder of the protestant FG politician for Monaghan, Billy Fox, and the burning of his girlfriends home, during the troubles? Ever wonder what effect that had on protestants? You seem to be more concerned about the lettering on one particular road sign outside the village of Drum in Monaghan, ( Heather H's village) than by firebomb attacks in that area on a Presbyterian church (destroying the roof) and on another church hall in that area as recently as 1999. 

    I wonder did she condemn them at the time ( I'm sure she would have wanted to) or was, as is more likely, she afraid to? 

    Easier just to say she is a proud republican and this country has treated her very well. Yeah Heather, how much is your politician's pension again?

    So FrancieBrady, do you condemn the murder of the other protestant FG politician from Co. Monaghan, Billy Fox, who was murdered during the troubles? I'm sure HH would have known his family if not him, do you think that shaped her? Or did you ever hear her mention it or does she prefer not to?

    I wonder would the other candidate in the coming election, CC, who is back by SF, also think there was "no alternative" etc?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,178 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Another step towards implementing the legislation tonight in the COuncil



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    it’s sectarian because you are selecting the cultural stuff important to my community, whilst ignoring your own cultural hobbies



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,178 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    WTF?

    Don’t you understand what ALL and EQUAL means too?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,219 ✭✭✭Fionn1952


    To be fair, on this one Downcow has a point. Trying to ban marching or bonfires for 'all' for example....this is obviously targeting the Unionist community in the same sense that trying to ban GAA sports for, 'all' would obviously be targeting the Nationalist community. While the GAA is by no means exclusive to the Nationalist community, it would clearly be aimed largely at one side trying to ban it even if you say you're banning it for, 'everyone'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    Francie it is very simple. If you select things like parading and bonfires, which are 90% plus enjoyed by one community and the other community has little interest or involvement, then that is sectarian.
    if the old unionist state had banned all dancing involving hard shoes tapping the floor and banned anyone putting wafers on their tounges or waving smoke over coffins, then I would call that out as sectarian- even though it applies to everyone.
    but I don’t think you are that naive to not understand



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,219 ✭✭✭Fionn1952


    Tell me you don't understand polling and statistics without telling me you don't understand polling and statistics?

    I'm always spectacularly impressed at the confidence you approach topics with, Francis. You're Dunning-Kruger laid bare.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,178 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Contentious parades that taunt, bonfires that taunt lads.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    so we will ban ALL placing of wafers on tongues.
    you happy that would not be sectarian?

    The people of comber banned all sports who name their grounds after convicted killers. Were you ok with that also? Not sectarian of course as it applies to ALL



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    don’t worry francie, republicans are waking our representatives at last.
    two can play at that game

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,219 ✭✭✭Fionn1952


    They're still two very clearly henpicked ones that are aimed at the Unionist community, Francie.

    Contentious in and of itself doesn’t mean they're in the wrong for the record. I'm aware of plenty of bonfires and parades that should be banned for plenty of reasons, but not solely because they're contentious; East Belfast GAA club and everything Linda Ervine is involved with is contentious.

    Unlike some, I don't think your intentions are sectarian, but the execution you're suggesting absolutely would be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    Francis McM you had to work hard on him, but you broke him eventually. The truth is out. It’s not ALL, it’s the ones he doesn’t like.
    well done for your perseverance



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,219 ✭✭✭Fionn1952


    Supposedly moderates like the UUP aligning with the likes of Bryson and the TUV will do the opposite of preserving your Union, Downcow.

    If you haven't realised by now that the hardline, 'nothing Irish about the place' attitude will do nothing but alienate, you're a lost cause.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,178 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    They are wrong to the other side like memorials are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,178 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Why the fook would you be banning uncontentious events?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,219 ✭✭✭Fionn1952


    So is East Belfast GAA wrong because some find it contentious? Is Turas wrong for promoting the language in East Belfast? Are the Irish language signs you were defending a short while ago?

    It's a ridiculously one dimensional take on things, Francie. We already have the Parades Commission to decide on contentious parades, trying to drop a blanket ban for anything, 'contentious' is incredibly naive viewed through the lens of what is considered contentious in the North.



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