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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,163 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    True, but another voter is is going on about the 1950’s because I mentioned “rural Ireland”, Grey vote etc. That Robinson win was in 1990 not the 1950’s.

    I think Connolly is a bit unfortunate that there is another female candidate who appeals more to the older vote. If Connolly was the only female candidate she would get the vote based on gender.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,163 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    There is no point in spending money on defence if it not going to be effective. Complete waste of money. Much better spending on necessities Heath etc

    What would increased Heath spending lead to if invaded ? A longer war more casualties but ultimately being defeated. Pointless.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,738 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    I think Connolly is a bit unfortunate that there is another female candidate who appeals more to the older vote. If Connolly was the only female candidate she would get the vote based on gender.

    This is like saying Jim Gavin will get loads of Dublin votes. There is no basis for it - at least not until we have a proper poll.

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    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,738 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    So let the drugs flow unhindered because we can't stop 'em all?

    The second paragraph makes even less sense

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,163 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    I have heard it mentioned by the political analysts when they looked at the three candidates.

    You don’t need a poll to know who will get the

    Male vote

    or

    Dublin vote

    or

    Rural vote

    or

    Grey vote

    or

    Youth vote

    Common sense, demographics obvious.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,163 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    I used that as an example of how difficult Ireland’s territory is to defend. It is impossible for a small country.

    Much easier for Ireland to concentrate on what Ireland is good at cultural ties, soft power etc. Much cheaper as well.

    When I think of the Irish Army I think of Peace Keeping- symbols of Irish neutrality, and helping in severe weather events.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,163 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Sounds like you did a Gavin, and are stumped for a coherent reply.

    Who do you think is going to win the rural vote out of the three candidates?

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,738 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    So hey who cares about the damage drugs are doing in our own country and our neighbours. What a terribly antisocial attitude. We're already getting a bad reputation for our irresponsibility in relation to defence, if that extends to not even bothering to try to keep drug smugglers out we'll rightly be a pariah in Europe. We hoover in a grossly disproportionate amount of corporation tax and our European neighbours are getting annoyed that we don't pull our weight in areas of common interest so don't be surprised if there's more pressure in future on our tax affairs.

    Cheaper - only you ignore the human and political consequences

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    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 606 ✭✭✭Madeoface


    Well i think they probably will be swayed for the simple reason that HH was the Minister for Social Welfare and got pensioners a lot of increases over the budgets she had the Social Welfare brief on. I'd expect her campaign to put subtle reminders of that out. CC did a reasonable job as leas ceann comhairle I guess but that is more admin than anything and she can't point to anything concrete except the same old niche PBP type tropes.

    Jim Gavin is a waste of time imo so I think its down to the 2 ladies and Jims' transfers will help HH get in. I'm still peed off Labour had no thinking cap on and instead backed someone who was disparaging of them as a party.

    Its a very dour choice akin to a menu of chips, egg and chips, or egg, beans and chips.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 939 ✭✭✭snowstorm445


    Just weighing in here as someone who doesn't live in Ireland anymore.

    Aside from the fact that the POI is largely meant to be an apolitical, diplomatic figure that doesn't directly comment on Government policy, Catherine Connolly would do immense damage to Ireland's reputation abroad if she carries on the way she does.

    The fact is that fear of Russia and the need for defence is far more palpable in much of Europe than it is in Ireland. For Estonia or Latvia, say, the memory of repression/Gulag deportations is still very raw and recent. They are tiny countries trying to eek out a stable and democratic existence with a giant aggressor next door. And to this day Russia hasn't moved past the end of its old empire. They're in no two minds about "both sides being as bad as the other". For them, defence and NATO membership is one of the greatest guarantees of their future sovereignty and something they have entered into willingly for their own peace of mind.

    And yet there are people in Ireland like Connolly, living thousands of miles from any sort of dictatorship or conflict zone, who feel entitled to dismiss these countries as American stooges. Or to act as if NATO is basically just an arm of the Pentagon and not a vital safeguard that every country joins and engages with voluntarily. I'm not opposed to neutrality myself, but you always see this same patronising line of thinking when it gets brought up: the "ah sure everyone loves us" view, that Ireland is somehow more gallant and humanitarian for not being in NATO, and that any country that is clearly must be run by bloodthirsty ghouls. It's completely frivolous, self-congratulatory rubbish that isn't helped by the fact that we don't do any heavy lifting on our end (ask the average Irish person and they will see no contradiction in being neutral and still expecting the rest of Europe to come to our aid if we're attacked).

    There is a distinct impression in a lot of quarters in Europe that Ireland is a freeloader - not just on defence, but also with our reputation as a corporate tax haven etc. It wasn't helped with Moscow Mick and Clare Daly's antics in the EU Parliament before they lost their seats. If Connolly gets elected, it will be magnified greatly. Especially if she keeps on lecturing countries with a recent history of dictatorship and subjugation. It's not just simplistic, it shows a profound lack of knowledge about European history that should really be a basic requirement for anyone wanting to serve in a sensitive, representative role like the Presidency.

    I'm not eager about either of the other two candidates but Connolly would be a profound liability for our international position - especially at a delicate time globally.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,451 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    The 'logical outcome' is based entirely on your own projection.

    Are you avoiding the question about how the current strategy is working out?



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 11,080 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    But those days are gone, no more freeloading of other countries defences and in any case the voters have committed Ireland to the defence of its EU stares at referenda, so not a neutral country either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,163 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    In theory it would be nice. It is not practical though. I think Ireland should be thankful it has friendly relations with the UK. Because Ireland would just not be capable of defending itself - increased defence spending or not.

    I am not saying be a pacifist like Connolly. But remain “neutral” and on good relations with countries out of practicality.

    Ireland will always be the soft touch for nefarious states, no matter what Ireland spends on defence. Ireland’s allies know this though.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,033 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    I really am amused at your apparent lack of knowledge or understanding of rural people. As for who will win, Connolly i believe will top the poll in pretty much all areas. Gavin’s selection is probably the single biggest faux paux that MM has made since becoming leader of FF and Heather , well the only chance she has is if she doesn't talk or attempt to debate in the next 4 weeks!



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 44,335 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Mod: no more use of the term "little grannies" or similar.
    I've already temp-banned someone today so up the standard!!!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,257 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Some young people dont go to school, dont go to work etc.

    Conscription would kill multiple birds with one stone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,985 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    Absolutely, CC is perfectly capable of criticising the Baltic states for some measure of military defence, lets say they extend conscription. This kind of thing is an insult to countries that have been repressed. Will she refuse to go the 1916 commemorations because she believes that we should have turned the other cheek?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,505 ✭✭✭ilkhanid


    How is it working out? The ruzzians are suffering untold destruction of their oil facilities, their advance is reduced to a crawl, they are suffering enormous casualties and their attacks are continually thwarted and this is possible because of the aid contributed by Europe NATO and-grudgingly-by the USA. If these countries had more to contribute and the USA helped with all its resources the Ruzzian attacks would founder on the rocks of Ukrainian resistance. But your response would be, not to help Ukraine but to deprive them of the ability to resist to the best of their ability and to help the Ruzzians.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,451 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    You could be onto something there. Let's have mandatory conscription for ALL ages and we can teach survival skills and community service to all ages. You'd be in favour of that, presumably, given that the benefits would be much broader.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,451 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Funny how you 'forgot' to mention how it's working out for Ukraine.

    Along with the usual exaggerated rewording of other people's position, quite deep rigeur around here.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,257 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Absolutely. Id take an assault course, camping and target practice over the office every day of the week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,833 ✭✭✭liamtech


    Add to that, the fact that Russia is now forced to purchase ammunition from North Korea. I encourage people to parse this for a moment. Russia, the largest country in the world, is buying its ammunition from the tiny police state that is North Korea.

    Ask yourself what has Putin accomplished in relation to NATO? Well he could easily receive the 'NATO recruiter of the decade award', as he successfully turned Finland and Sweden into NATO cheerleaders.

    And as regards Russia domestically, the mask of supposed democracy is well and truly binned. Putin has all but ceased trying to portray himself as a 'democratically elected leader'. Its a dictatorship pure and simple.

    Ukraine has accomplished a lot in defending itself. And it can continue to do so, if it is adequately supported.

    Ukraine has been, and will continue to be weakened by only 3 things -

    • The MAGA reactionary base, whos opinions on isolationism seem to be unstable
    • The whims of Donald Trump, whos foreign policy is dependent on how much flattery he has received
    • the radical reactionary left, who think 'western imperialism' and NATO are to blame for everything

    These are what Russia banks on every day - without these 3 factors, the deck would be stacked entirely against Moscow

    Look i keep saying - im happy to back CC on domestic policy - and from the debate, id be interested to hear her thoughts on how the Irish Presidency can influence the global conversation on fighting extremism and speaking for peace.

    But her foreign policy is all of the place - and she is on the wrong side of several issues of consequence

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,451 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    When it comes to public policy, it doesn't really matter what you'd take or what I'd take. What matters is whether it is the kind of proposal likely to get reasonable public support, with reasonable costs and reasonable benefits. Do you think any party is going to put 'mandatory conscription' for any age into their next manifesto?

    Is the government going to charge a commercial rate for this training, or going to cover the costs itself?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,451 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    And again, no mention of the actual impact on Ukraine, no mention of the deaths, injuries, destruction of infrastructure, scattering of families across Europe. I guess none of that matters when there's a good war for other people to fight.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 31,496 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Better than if they'd been abandoned.

    Or is this where we pivot back to Connolly's secret option number 3 of magic no war?

    Anyone who doesnt support providing them with everything they need doesnt get to pontificate on whether other people care about them or not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,864 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    The deaths and destruction are because Russia decided to invade, and to continually attack civilian targets.

    The Russian response to any offers of talks or ceasefire has been to increase attacks on civilians.

    In areas that Russia captured, such as Bucha, we see what happens to Ukrainian civilians under Russian occupation.


    Yet we still get plenty of useful idiots who try to pretend all would be fine and dandy if European countries had simply refused to give Ukraine the means to defend themselves, and forced them into a full surrender to Putin’s invasion.


    Nobody has forced Ukraine into defending itself (except Putin).
    Ukraine requested aid, and its neighbours obliged - despite the howling objections from tankies on the left.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,874 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Looks like Candidate Comrade Connolly has a few past associations she's been keeping to herself. Either that, or her judgement is absolutely diabolical....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,833 ✭✭✭liamtech


    I dont want anyone to have to fight. But the Ukrainians want to resist, and are pleading, at all times, for any support they can receive.

    Honestly, there needs to be an acceptance of facts here.

    This is not the US, telling that world that the South Viatnamese in Saigon are 'resisting communism' and that is why we fight.

    Ukraine, going back as far as the turn of the century, has steered itself toward the EU, and democracy. It wants nothing to do with Russia, or to be a Russian Puppet like its neighbor to the north. The war has been disastrous for Ukraine but it continues to fight, and defend itself, and its right to self determination. Even before the 2022 invasion, Ukraine fought against Russian aggression and seizures of its territory.

    Id ask you, sincerely - - what do you think caused this conflict. And how would you solve this crisis? What would be your preffered peace initiative, which preserves Ukrainian Freedom, while ending the Russian invasion?

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,505 ✭✭✭ilkhanid


    And all of this is on the Ruzzians, nobody else. What is your solution: that Ukraine allow itself to be neutered politically and militarily, disband its army in time for the next Ruzzian incursion, look on as thousands more of its children are kidnapped, look on as thousands more of its people are arrested, deported, tortured and murdered, replace its government with Ruzzian puppets and hand over not only the lands conquered by the Ruzzians, but hand over, and evacuate, involving millions more people, parts of Ukraine the Ruzzian deem belong to them?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,612 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Strange for a pacifist to push for the hiring of someone who is a member of Eirigi, with a record of arms possession.



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