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Liverpool FC Premier League Champions 25/26 - Talk /Gossip/Rumours

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,887 ✭✭✭Ottoman_1000


    Kerkez is definitely looking more solid. But we still haven't seen anything like what he was doing last season. He dominated the left hand side for Bournemouth, delivering some quality balls into the box while he was at it.

    I think he's trying to ease his way back into form, after starting the season at 100 miles an hour and getting everything wrong. I think he'll get there too.

    Its plainly obvious to anyone watching us, a lot of our current issues are identity, in how we play, and what our intentions are. And you can see Slot himself is still trying to figure that out.

    I don't know what our best team is. But I just don't see a situation where all 3 of Isak, Salah and Wirtz can play together! Some tough decisions will have to be made going forward.



  • Administrators Posts: 56,305 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    My point was, I don't think we can stand here and claim we have no luck.

    IMO, we are lucky to have as many points as we have on the back of the performances we've shown this season. Yes, you make your own luck etc, but I don't think we've put in a good 90 minute showing yet and have been overly reliant on late bail-outs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,189 ✭✭✭dogbert27


    After the Everton game Gravenberch said he has been told he can go further forward this season as last season he was told to stay in the 6 role and not venture forward.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,820 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    True but im trusting the system and muscle memory



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,358 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Slot, Alisson out on Saturday



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,189 ✭✭✭dogbert27


    Yeah, I'm waiting to see the Kerkez who breaks forward down the wing and cuts the ball back.

    It feels like every player is going out there for themselves and getting in each other's way.

    When they do pass to each other it's either overhit, underhit or too much power that it's difficult to control.

    Every free kick we had today was wasted. If those free kicks were deliberate from the training ground they need to come up with something new



  • Administrators Posts: 56,305 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Yea the free kicks were absolutely shocking. Did we just whip a single one into the box?

    Szobozlai whipped in a cross at the end that led to the overturned penalty, but that was still an excellent chance, that chance falls to almost anyone other than Konate and there's a good shot on goal opportunity.

    We didn't do this enough, it was all so ponderous. All take a touch, have a look, maybe a few passes and then a crap cross. Just a total lack of urgency, no real runs being made. Too pragmatic IMO.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,914 ✭✭✭Appletart Upsetter


    I don't know if anyone else saw the package Premier Sport's put together on Wirtz but almost every positive thing we did in the game came through him. If he can tidy things up a little when in possession, you can see he's the most creative player in the squad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,690 ✭✭✭✭McDermotX


    Gomez in at CB anyone ? Not like theres any other options.

    See how long we can get from him before injury comes calling. Only issue is that we'll need him ready to rock for when Konate gets his



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,887 ✭✭✭Ottoman_1000


    I think there's a very good reason for this change up in style here. Grav was so important to us last season, but it was fairly obvious that when our form tailed off towards the end, it was on the back of Gravs performance levels dropping.

    But this wasn't really anything got to do with him as such, teams simply targeted him and doubled up on him when we were playing out from the back. So this forced him to just either pass it back to Virg or get bypassed all together. This killed our attack as his driving runs and quick passes were thefoundation of it.

    It's why we looked so good in the 40 odd minutes against Everton. This rotation allowed Grav influence the game again. But the problem is, we can't play that game with Wirtz as part of a midfield trio. It works best with Dom, Grav and Mac. But we have barley seen them play together there this season for varying reasons.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 861 ✭✭✭FernandoTorres


    I'd be more worried if we had questions over players ability. This is clearly more of a tactical/mental thing and I've full confidence it can be sorted out. Anyone who's been through grief will know how it can affect you mentally and all players will be dealing with it differently. I don't think there's enough recognition of that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,901 ✭✭✭✭paulie21


    Was actually thinking maybe Gomez at right back and at least get that side somewhat solid



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,165 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    Ekitike is confident he only suffered from cramp



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,820 ✭✭✭✭noodler




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,690 ✭✭✭✭McDermotX


    Could do, and he'd do a job, but I think it would also completely negate what's coming from the right side with the other lad in front of him. At least with Bradley, raw as he is, there would be some forward interplay, so not sure whether it's better to play through the problems to get there.

    Where that leaves Frimpong, I'm not sure, but he's not there yet, early injury hasn't helped him.

    Unfortunately Konate, decent game against Arsenal aside, has had an extremely error-strewn start, more so than normal, that needs addressing. Of course, we can try to play through that, and maybe Joe would help back there, but I do not like the way Konate's shakiness is encouraging the opposition of late.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,876 ✭✭✭decies


    you know the fans are in denial when in a what’s app group all the moaning and groaning was about the ref . Thats the very first sign . The manager and coaches need to figure this out and fast, trying square pegs into round holes willl only work for a certain period of time . Chelsea game is huge for recent high Liverpool standards losing 3 in a row would be unthinkable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 390 ✭✭Bocadilloo


    Konate needs to be sold in January. Hopefully replaced by Guehi, but if he refuses to go, bench him for the rest of the season. Not having this contract wind down again



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,887 ✭✭✭Ottoman_1000


    You do realise that would have to be a directive from the powers above to Slot, to not allow him play for the rest of the season. Absolutely no manager, let alone Slot will stand for that.

    The bottom line is, contracts are between the players and his party, and the clubs hierarchy. Slot would have next to no say in these negotiations.

    Slots job is to pick a team with the players available to him. And anything after that is out of his hands.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 390 ✭✭Bocadilloo


    After what happened with Trent last year, it is crazy that the club are falling into this situation again. Honestly konate should have been told during the summer, sign the improved contract or be sold. It's pretty clear konate will not be staying. He's even playing himself out of a new contract now. The club needs to get a process for contracts in place



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,136 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    Still not really worried about Wirtz. It'll just take time for him to get up to speed in the league, and most importantly to build chemistry with his teammates. He's not an individualist, everything he does requires his teammates to be on the same page.

    I didn't think he should've been starting every game right from the start though, and I still don't think he should. I get that Slot is trying to force that chemistry to happen quicker by playing through the adjustment period, but it's just adding pressure. 30 mins every game, and maybe starting the cup games would've been better, up until at least the second international break. It's the same adjustment period that the likes of Robbo/Konate/Fabinho all went through, except where they did it behind closed doors, Wirtz is doing it under a spotlight.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,136 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    And no, the club won't be benching a lad for the year just because he's going to be out of contract. That's small time counter-productive stuff.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,887 ✭✭✭Ottoman_1000


    But how do you know the club weren't looking to off load? Maybe there was no interest because of the freebe option this coming summer.

    Its not as simple as you're trying to make out here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,611 ✭✭✭Girly Gal


    We've been poor all season (in truth we've been poor since around March), but getting the results, which have papered over the cracks. There's been a lot of change over the summer and only Ekitike can be happy with how he's settled, plus of course Jota's tragic passing has definitely left it's mark on the squad both on and off the pitch, that can't really be underestimated.

    I think Slot has tried to integrate too many of the new players too quickly, plus change formation too, so even last season's players are struggling to adjust. A more gradual evolution of both formation and new players might have been better, as I think confidence amongst some of the new signings is begining to wane, Wirtz seems the most affected. Doesn't help that Isak is not match fit (surly we should have got a discount for that!) plus Konate has been shocking and Mac Allister is off form too.

    As others have suggested it might be worth going back to Grav, Mac, and Slob in midfield, bring Gomez in for Konate and bench Wirtz for a few games, get a bit of stability in the team, we can then look at evolving the team again. First real test for Slot since taking over, some of the issues are self inflicted, hopefully he can turn it around ar the weekend.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,344 ✭✭✭Alonso77


    It has to be noted that Slot has roughly 70% win percentage since he took over up to very recently which is frankly phenomenal and was always likely to even out this season.

    Every club will have bad spells in a season and we had plenty under Klopp. Its how we react to these last 2 poor results thats important. Lets see where we are after 10 lg games and 5 champs lg games before we lose our minds!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,367 ✭✭✭Glico Man


    Certainly seems to be a tactics and style issue. With what, 6/7 clean sheets in the last 25-30 games, something is very off in the balance of the midfield/defence.

    Feels like poor Kerkez is completely neutered from how he performed last season. From the way Slot plays, the fullbacks invert their runs inside the winger rather than go to the byline. Great when you've Mo on one side, but surely you could switch it up when you've one of the best left backs in the league (last season at least) who's style of play is to whip crosses in. Not like Gakpo has been any good at those recently either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,136 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    Once Isak is fully fit, I'd be interested in seeing him down the middle with Ekitike on the left wing. He's not a natural winger, sure, but he'd do what you mentioned, and what Mane always did at his best, coming inside fast and direct and looking for goals. That opens space for Kerkez to overlap then.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,358 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Are we asking TOO much of Wirtz, a 21 year old we signed, and yet we play him every game, home and away. Kerkez the same, 21, expected to play every game. Ekitike a lesser extent, just turned 23. You can see why it's not working, and why it will when they're 25. A long time to wait, right now I'd get em out of team. Asking too much of these guy, Rio at least is getting some protection, as was Leoni until he got injured. Wirtz can go two way, be great in 3 years, or fade away and disappear down the lower leagues

    Gakpo Isak Salah

    Graven MAC Sobo

    Robertson, Bradley

    Should play next game



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,590 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    Is Wirtz only 21?

    ****, I actually thought he was a few years older.

    I think it's a case of over analysis. Lose a few games and people get excited.

    I've no doubt Slot will stumble on his best formation and line up soon.

    A lot of new players starting together, probably too many really if people are expecting it to be seamless.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,231 ✭✭✭Talisman


    I'm confused, last night you were wanting rid of Wirtz.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,762 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    Konate, been poor for last few games, was excellent in the few games before that. He's all over the place, but he's a symptom of the problem as much as the problem. As bad as Trent could be, we have no steady RB at present - slob had been OK there but he's a midfielder, Frimpong is half a winger half a FB, and Bradley has been atrocious, the palace game he could have been hooked after 15 minutes he was that bad.

    Midfield needs sorting first, Szlob was badly exposed last night by allowing their midfielders to get their heads up and pick passes down his side.

    As said before, first 5 results papered over the cracks of a largely new team gelling together, and don't rule out the loss of Jota in all this - I'm sure it's going to impact on lots of lads preperations in the quiet moments.



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