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Milk Price III

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 267 ✭✭yewdairy


    I thought casein was under pressure in the US and that market wasn't as strong as normal, hence arrabawn price has struggled a bit over the last 12 months.

    With cost of capex now on processing plant, nearly impossible for coops to do much with existing product mix.

    Aurivo are down 1.5 c/litre



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,981 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    we were told it was back …but not to same extent as other commodities like butter,skim etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,626 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    There is a view in West Cork, that they could actually pay 2/3 cent more than what they do, but don't want to be totally out of line with Tirlan and DG.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,626 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    See DG are holding a shareholders meeting next Thursday to explain the milk price.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,981 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    if you’re explaining your loosing ….and they’ve a whole week to prepare ….hopefully management and board members of that coop and others get a clear warning from suppliers at it



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,462 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    They messed up it seems by not forwarding selling their butter stockpiles and are now sitting on warehouses full of butter that is returning prices of sub 40 cent at current prices, it was poor risk management...

    Id be surprised if milk prices start with a 4 come feb/march, we could be nearer 30 than 40 base price come next may, the world's awash with cheap grain and high input herds will simply keep pumping milk out even at milk prices in the low 30's next year



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,348 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Sure it was great while it lasted....



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 4,724 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    It’s all easy in hindsight but I was reading about debt and growth recently, and it’s supposedly a very basic rule that you only go into big debt if you see major growth ahead to service that debt.

    I’m a new entrant so wasn’t paying too much attention when co-ops were taking on debt to pay for new steel. But is it fair to ask them now if they still saw lots of growth ahead at that stage?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 778 ✭✭✭farmertipp


    suppliers meeting at clonmel Rd mitchelstown today to highlight the steep and out of line cut by dairygold. meeting at 12.30 .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,981 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    hopefully lads come out in force for this …a clear message needs to be sent to the Dairygold board …..and other coop boards that they need to be accountable and clearer pathways need to be put in place to allow more farmers run for these positions without been tied to heavy trading requirements to get seats etc



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,236 ✭✭✭straight


    Is it true that dairygold have a drier idle that they never used or don't currently use.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,191 ✭✭✭greenfield21


    Where have you been the last 10 years or so? Nearly every processor was piling into expansion before quotas ended, throwing up stainless like there was no tomorrow. The government was pushing the same line. Rememeber the days Coveney was cheerleading for more exports to boost the national economy, foodwise, harvest 2020. The processors loved it, but really the ordinary farmer who didn’t expand saw no benefit, it just watered-down value-added products. Covid and Ukraine have masked the usual boom-and-bust cycles the last few years, that is slipping now with oil prices much lower. we’re the ones carrying the can for the debt and overcapacity. Honestly,very few if any coops have any debt anyway.

    I see the processors new idea of masking their terrible management is now acquisitions and buying growth. They appear to have run of ideas, well they never really had any anyway other than to dump it all into commodities.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 582 ✭✭✭Coolcormack1979


    correct and right.not enough shiny stainless steel could be bought.

    Remember also when the co-ops were sending out surveys of how much will u send in 5 yrs time etc.and then glanbia were also bitching about not having enough milk to spread out the peak and have lads if they we’re stupid enough to do it to calve cows later into May and June so as to keep supplies.that died a death after a bad spring a couple of yrs ago where they were dam glad to have any milk let alone big peak in May.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,641 Mod ✭✭✭✭K.G.


    Is it that time again for dairy gold.a series of meetings and they all saying things got to change and even a protest and then it all dies back again.how many times have seen this kind a thing with dairygold



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 267 ✭✭yewdairy


    What option had the coops but put the steel up?

    Their suppliers wanted their milk processed. There is an extra 3 billion litres produced annually since quotes went, if the coops didn't invest their is no place for that milk to go.

    The milk we produced on this farm during quotas would not be enough to generate a fulltime wage today. I and a lot of other dairy farms needed the coops to invest so we could have viable businesses.

    Despite the milk price cuts 2025 is going to be a great year financially on dairy farms



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 4,724 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    The graph below is from the CSO. My question is, did co-ops continue to invest in steel once growth slowed in 2021?

    Screenshot 2025-09-19 at 13.28.48.png


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 582 ✭✭✭Coolcormack1979


    Truman cut by 2.5.same choreography of a statement like the others.markets,realignments of price to reflect etc,etc.board will continue to access prices paid .the usual stuff

    Only a couple of weeks ago they were discounting meal prices to stop falling milk supplies



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,539 ✭✭✭awaywithyou


    It will all be wanted I'm afraid as dairy markets are on a serious downturn.. in 2022 we had 10 straight months of base milk price over 50c... in spring 2023 we went from a base of 56c down to 40c in space of 3 months... 2023 and start of 2024 was by all accounts the worst year and a half ever experienced by dairy farmers... we have had a very very good 6months since March 1st... unfortunately we have cows in by nite now with nearly 3weeks and they won't see grass by night again til 2026... incalf heifers coming in this evening... and now milk price cuts are coming thick and fast... and I'm guessing much more to come... Butter has dropped nearly a thousand/ton in 2 weeks..

    Concentrates are plentiful and good value at the moment so the high input producers across the world will feed hard and that could keep price depressed for a prolonged period...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 393 ✭✭Gman1987


    Just see Parkham Farms in UK has dropped November milk price by 8ppl. Some drop



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,348 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    While I know that's a massive drop at least they know what they're getting, not like us fools being told ages after the month has ended



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 4,724 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    Anyone with a crystal ball brave (or foolish) enough to call milk price for next March?

    45c?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,403 ✭✭✭ginger22




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,462 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Today's prices going of futures for butter/wmp/skim are only returning 39 cent at best, cheese worse circa 35 cent, by jan 2026 id say our own co-ops will be sub 40 cent, if butter prices and wmp suffer any more drops re pricing, id say mid 30's for March 26...

    Hopefully beef prices stay strong next year re cull and calf prices, its the only silver lining at the minute



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 128 ✭✭Farney Farmer


    Ah lads it’s bad enough the Co-ops talking down the prices without us doing the same.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 989 ✭✭✭Sacrolyte


    Seemingly it’s some kind of weird pastime around here…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,981 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    best case very low 40s ….if I’d to call it now I’d say somewhere in 36/40 bracket …not looking good



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 4,724 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    I know nothing about ChatGPT or any other AI stuff, but I have to find out something about it for the off-farm job so I clicked onto https://chatgpt.com and entered:

    farm gate milk price forecast Ireland

    Try it and see what you get.

    I'd be taking the answers with a pinch of salt, but it presents the info clearly and is as likely to be right as any official "Dairy Outlook" report.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,389 ✭✭✭orm0nd


    Prepare for the worst, accept the best.

    Personally I'll hoping for low 40s

    Was talking to my builder a few days ago and he said has a couple of dairy clients putting jobs off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,208 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    IIt's not about talking down prices it's dealing with the reality of it and being prepared for it. For someone like @Siamsa Sessions who is a new entrant still in the development stage who may want to buy a few cows or heifers and carry out development work you need to have an idea of what your budget will be. Traditionally the worst days in milk were better than the best days in beef....not no longer true.

    However when sh!t comes to shove, the only way to look atvit low prices cure low prices just like high prices cure high prices.

    .

    Slava Ukrainii



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,328 ✭✭✭alps


    41 with a quick rebound. April to see an increase.



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