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Presidential Election 2025

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,263 ✭✭✭kabakuyu


    She has her hard- core supporters,usually hard left types and PBP members. Don't think she gets above 10% first preferences in Dail elections,she's very notable for her opposition to the Galway bypass and many galway people will remember that.Has been an ineffective TD for Galway West in most people's eyes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,871 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    Martin took the easy road and did a deal with the rogue politician (his words) Lowry to form a government. So why would he feel the need to distance himself from Bertie Ahern? I don’t think it was because of ethical reasons.

    I would like to see a SF/Lab/Social Democrats lead government and yes they would have made a big deal about Ahern’s past if he ran in this. I think Ahern would have been able to handle it though. Bertie Ahern is a vote getter and he was dodgy but he had significant achievements in his career.

    I think he would have won a contest like this even though I would have voted for Connolly against him.

    Just my opinion but I think Martin avoided nominating him maybe for personal reasons that we may not know about or because he (as I suspect) is a weak leader who didn’t want Bertie Ahern back in Fianna Fáil upstaging him.


    I don’t think it was ethics behind Martin not nominating Ahern, if it was he wouldn’t have done the deal with Lowry.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,849 ✭✭✭MFPM


    That quote is so typical of Leahy, he offers the pretence of objective journalism but then his centrist loyalty overtakes him and he sticks the boot in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,429 ✭✭✭jmcc


    She is one of the better polcorrs. The problem is that the Indo seems to have bought into Martin's ideas about Gavin's ability to deliver the presidency for FF. Humphreys had years of experience in government and still didn't perform well. Gavin simply appeared to be FF's lead parachute celebrity candidate. The first debate in a presidential election is always the toughest but the danger for FF now is that Gavin won't get any better.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,161 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    That’s grand and all that but it basically a person’s strongly held views on current affairs.

    All the very pro Palestine line plays well with Republicans, the youth left vote etc. For Example Conradh na Gaeilge (Harcourt Street() (closed for renovations over a year now) - likely a snapshot of the Connolly core vote.

    CnaG were one of the first I saw to start hanging up Palestine flags. There were youngsters making collections for Palestine. Concerts for Palestine way early on, aimed at youngters. The bar had a massive sign on the wall “Stad an slad” / “stop the slaughter”

    But in my head I think sure it is the President of Ireland we are voting for not the President of Gaza/Palestine? The POI has to be a symbol on a broad range of issues.

    Not a one trick pony - pacifism/anti-imperialist. Things that have little to do with the office of President.

    Connolly even seems more interested in that stuff, than even the Irish language.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,627 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    But in my head I think sure it is the President of Ireland we are voting for not the President of Gaza/Palestine?

    And those who vote seem to hold a concern for human rights as an important attribute of the President.
    There is a reason the places where human rights are being abused are an important part of the debates.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,871 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    She’ll make a good President. I hope she wins.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,323 ✭✭✭Jump_In_Jack




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,577 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Gavin didn't have a great night and CC did well, but I think it's only the early stages. CC will probably come under greater scrutiny if she's perceived as a front runner and that could be good or bad for her.

    I think HH is going to carry a lot of baggage with her every time the government's perceived failings are mentioned.

    I wouldn't be ruling JG out entirely yet - he wasn't impressive in the debate, but, he is a bit of a blank slate and comes across as a decent enough individual. That might be a bigger advantage than people think over the course of the next four weeks - lots of road left to run yet and don't be surprised if there's twists and turns.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 31,065 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    As someone firmly on the left I was always going to be a Connolly voter, but I was pretty taken aback at how poorly the other two performed last night. To see their milquetoast, scripted responses versus someone with deeply-held beliefs and conviction (regardless of what you think of those beliefs and conviction) was really stark to behold. Gavin did at least try to get assertive a few times, but constantly looping back to 'the taskforce' was mortifying and glad Cuddihy called him out on it eventually. Humphreys was completely out of her depth on the likes of the Occupied Territories Bill and the government's record in particular. Wouldn't bother giving either a preference based on their performances last night - they'd really need to up their game for RTE.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,161 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    But the President of Ireland can’t affect change in that way. It is a non executive office. The most the POI can do is refer legislation for review, or dissolve DE etc

    To me the office of President is a focus on Irish cultural values Arts/Language/Sports. And symbol of all in Irish society from all different backgrounds, countries.

    Gavin seems to realise that and has some great ideas on forums and discussions among groups that want a voice etc. But is too inept in his delivery to articulate it.

    For the first time in my life I thought “Even I could do better than Jim Gavin” during yesterday’s debate. Some great ideas for the POI but poor delivery and explanation of them.

    Yet Connolly wins a.debate discussing current affairs, human rights. Said little on the actual office of President. And was weak on NI/UI question. Which is a lot closer geographically than the Middle East is to the ROI!

    The whole logic seems upside down for me.
    Surely the debate should be a focus on the office of President itself and what a candidate will bring to the role in IRELAND? Not an election on a candidates worldview?

    That doesn’t seem like a vote on POI it is a vote on something entirely different.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,247 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    There are reserve powers which have the potential to cause tensions, as Cearbhaill O'Dalaigh discovered.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    It is not true and accurate, it is a lie about Germany. Germany is not rearming to boost its economy, it is rearming to protect countries like us from Russia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    As I am voting for Gavin, I am not sure how my analysis can be described as FG blinkers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,833 ✭✭✭liamtech


    I would not say HH won the debate, not at all. I think on reflection though she came second, merely as a result of Gavins VERY poor showing. I genuinely dont see Gavin improving enough to make an impact, so he will be elminated first.

    HH needs to come out swinging squarely at CC in the next debates, and probably just leave Gavin alone altogether. Even were he to swing at HH, in an effert to re-ignite old FF-FG rivalry - the smart move for HH is to dodge, and try and deflect on to Connolly, thereby appearing friendly to the remaining Gavin Voters.

    I also think it is a foregone conclusion at this stage, that CC will win the first count. Cannot see any other result. CC won the debate clearly, and i say that as someone who has argued for days now, that she is too radical, and too militantly anti western in nature. I can still see this as the issue that will cost her the election.

    What is in doubt for me, is the amount of 1st prefs CC hoovers up in comparison to HH. And that will decide the election. Also how many 1st prefs will actually go to Gavin in the first place; If he places so low, that the redistrubution is unlikely to change the standing of the other candidates. For me that is entirely possible after last nights display.

    If i were advising CC, i would be saying that its her election to lose; but that she could still lose it, if she fails to reframe her talking points onto a more even standing. She was beginning to do that last night, saying that a connolly presidency would explore how she can effect the conversation around global and domestic issues. This could win it for her, if she captures enough of the center, and maintains control of the election cycle. But if she drags the conversation further into murky contentious topics, that will be her downfall.

    @gormdubhgorm I would agree that it would be a soft all-Ireland win for HH, if she remains very quiet and anonymous, - Gavin fails as he likely will, CC comes first - and Gavin transfers elect Humphreys. I think that is a spot on analogy, but it seems very likely to me. Iv said before that when opening the news in the morning, i am almost expecting CCs next 'topic' to be something controversial. Its in her nature, and it will cost her dearly.

    We need up to date polls! Honestly, that is what the analysis is missing!!

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭harryharry25


    I was working in DKIT college this morning and it's full of Catherine Connolly stickers, posters etc. Theres even kids walking about tshirts and jumpers with Catherine for President and Palestine flags on the

    I never seen one of Heather or Jim

    I wonder if this is widespread across all colleges



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,627 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    But the President of Ireland can’t affect change in that way. It is a non executive office. The most the POI can do is refer legislation for review, or dissolve DE etc

    Yes, people mostly know that. A President can like MDH give voice to concerns and human rights values though.

    To me the office of President is a focus on Irish cultural values Arts/Language/Sports. And symbol of all in Irish society from all different backgrounds, countries.

    No issues there, Presidents can and have done that more than adequately.

    Gavin seems to realise that and has some great ideas on forums and discussions among groups that want a voice etc. But is too inept in his delivery to articulate it.

    For the first time in my life I thought “Even I could do better than Jim Gavin” during yesterday’s debate. Some great ideas for the POI but poor delivery and explanation of them.

    Unfortunately for Jim and he struggled on this last night, running for FF gives the lie to his 'great ideas'. It isn't 'inept' it is the fact all the Terri Prone's in the world won't explain that dichotomy for him.

    Yet Connolly wins a.debate discussing current affairs, human rights. Said little on the actual office of President. And was weak on NI/UI question. Which is a lot closer geographically than the Middle East is to the ROI!

    Connolly won because she more than adequately showed she had a brain and it belonged to her. I'll bet she didn't have to look at note throughout.

    The whole logic seems upside down for me.
    Surely the debate should be a focus on the office of President itself and what a candidate will bring to the role in IRELAND? Not an election on a candidates worldview?

    That doesn’t seem like a vote on POI it is a vote on something entirely different.

    It has never in my lifetime (wrong side of 60) been any different.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,161 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    I implied that when I mentioned referring legislation/should have said Bill really.

    I don’t know Connolly can sound “Presidential” in delivery. (Wouldn’t be hard with the other two). But doesn’t seem as concerned with Presidential type issues relevant to Ireland.

    Is she going to spend 7 years going on about world affairs more often than not?

    Sure, that is what the Pope does back in Rome, or even randomers on “speakers corner” in London etc.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 31,065 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Michael D Higgins has frequently spoken up about world affairs. He's proven that can very much be part of the president's role, while also happily fullfilling all the traditional and constitutional responsibilities that have been assigned to him. He generally seems to be a very popular and well liked president, going by the strong mandate he received for his second term.

    I could easily imagine Catherine Connolly making statements like this about Gaza (albeit likely not with Michael D's distinctly verbose speaking and writing style) but I'd struggle to imagine either of the others doing that with anywhere near the same conviction.



  • Site Banned Posts: 4,164 ✭✭✭Oíche Na Gaoithe Móire


    An honest question; why are you voting for Gavin?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,786 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Can't speak for colleges but there were fliers being handed out at the Limerick milk market on Saturday morning 2 weeks ago for Catherine Connolly

    Few posters on lamp posts for all 3 but nowhere near as much as we would have for a General Election

    It sounds like the Connolly campaign team are targeting younger voters. Traditionally a risky strategy as they don't tend to be as interested in voting as older people but generally they tend to be more liberal so it could potentially pay off



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    I've met him, I like him, he doesn't come across well on TV, but he is very different in person, and it is about time someone got recognised for public service, for devoting their life to their country the way that he has.



  • Site Banned Posts: 4,164 ✭✭✭Oíche Na Gaoithe Móire


    Ok. Solid reasons. Thanks.

    My reasons for not would be MM and the FF selection process. I think he's out of his depth.

    I actually think he'd be very safe if elected, but for me he'd feel like a MM puppet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,849 ✭✭✭MFPM


    Oh I dare say you're not the only one doing that, let's face it, they're broadly interchangeable such is their broad political uniformity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    He won't be anyone's puppet, that much I know for certain.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 747 ✭✭✭feelings


    You must have blinkers on if you think HH won that debate. (see what I did there? 😂)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,161 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Well I didn’t know. two past women Presidents. Did very well with their cultural themes. Robinson the Irish diaspora- cultural ties to Ireland. McAleese was “building bridges” looking for common ground between NI and ROI.

    Higgins- I don’t know what that fellas theme was in 2011. Sheer force of personality and a wide breath of knowledge on Culture/Arts/Language had him win pulling up. He didn’t need a theme. 2011 I saw an election leaflet here had the tagline “Passion, experience, vision”

    https://irishelectionliterature.com/2011/10/10/six-page-leaflet-michael-d-higgins-for-president-of-ireland-labour-party-2011-presidential-election/

    I don’t think previous Presidents to Robinson had strong themes. The Àras was just a glorified retirement home then.

    All three candidates now have themes- but from what I see Connolly’s one is the only one of the three that has a theme with no connection to Ireland. “compassionate diplomacy” with who?

    Just a general - be nice world. She could have paraphrased the boards.ie maxim “World, Don’t be a dick”

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,952 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    He already is MM's puppet. No criticism of the government and says they're aligned in their views.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,849 ✭✭✭MFPM


    That's precisely what Mary Regan is at this morning in the Indo - an appeal to FF and FG to go after CC and here's how to do it......The problem FF have is Gavin is hopeless and HH is clearly a reluctant candidate so I'm not sure they have it in them.

    The better Connolly does, the more the media will take aim at her the only problem they have is, she's been campaigning for months and the IT and Indo have taken multiple and persistent pot shots at her - the first poll will reveal if it's worked.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,586 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Connolly stayed on track thankfully. Wonder did she get coached to stay on a set road and not fly of the handle with a madcap notion.

    Gavin as expected out of his depth but he was only ever relying on his name and the fact he is under the FF banner.

    Humphreys a non entity bizarely considering she in theory should be the most confident.

    As long as Connolly stays on a sane path she should be safe.



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