Israel/Palestine Thread

Irish people support Hamas because there is a large segment of the Irish population who are ideologicaly aligned with the Sein Fein narrative that Hamas are 'The Resistance' and gallant freedom fighters, the champions of the downtrodden and oppressed Palestinains, bravely fighting their peoples cause against the big bad Israelis.

Its a provo narrative emanating from the great provo 'war' against the British during the troubles.

When the IRA were blowing people to bits in the cause of Irish Independence, their fellow travellers, the PLO were blowing people to bits ifor the Palestinian cause. They essentially were just terrorist birds of a feather flocking together and backing each others deparaved campaigns of voilence. It's why you will only ever see Irish and Palestinian flags seperated by an armalite on the murals of Belfast and nowhere else.

That was all very well when Sinn Fein were in the political winderness, barely garnering 3,4 or 5% of the votes come election time. But now, when they can get 20% in an election, and poll up to 30 and 35% in between, it means that a significant amount of the irish population, mainly younger voters, are simply absorbing and regurgitating Sinner credo en masse, and part of that credo is that armed resistance by 'freedom fighters' is something to be lauded. It is why Sinn Fein criticism of Hamas is almost always invariably couched in very ambigious language.

I can guarantee you there isn't a shinner voter in the country who isn't pro-palestine and anti Israel. When you add that to the left wing <admin snip> like **** standing on the plinth of Leinster House on OCT 7th or 8th, calling for global Intafada you can begin to see the extent of the problem, and the numbers involved.

For a lot of Irish people the IRA seem to be enjoying some sort of popular revisionism, and the lads in Hamas are just a modern day incarnation of the very same in Palestine.

All of them could be invalidated, because the context and conditions of war provides another explanation for all of the above accusations other than genocide.

Governments that censor the news are usually concealing something. Israel has killed journalists in this war, including AP and Reuters ones. They have banned international media from going into Gaza.

Also 3600 artists have signed up to a boycott of Israel right now.

I believe Amnesty, HRW, MSF.

Why believe a PM that is on trial for corruption in his own country?

If criticizing a state committing a genocide constitutes antisemitism, what does denying its even occurring constitute.

Stupidity and blindness perhaps? That they are still postong pro israel propaganda from Israeli friendly lobby groups, even at this stage at the conflict, shows they just want to support Israel at any costs.

But intricacies and complication is what they are. It is not a closed shop. There are rules to join, that those who are non Jewish can adhere to, to convert. That those rules are more stringent that Christianity is neither here nor there. It is a religion, like any other, and it has its own rules. Big deal.

And if you read my posts, I am absolutely not against a Jewish homeland, nor am I against it being in Israel (within its borders). You or anybody else is open to read my posting history and find me saying a single thing contradicting this.

I am against using religion and nonsensical narratives as a tool to colonize and delegitimize people living in a place.

Why are you ok with violently ousting native people for their land in this particular scenario, using something that happened during the Roman Empire as a metric to base it on? It is insane.

Basically no European countries currently in existence today were there during the Roman empire, I doubt you would argue French people weren't real and didn't have a right to live in peace in France.

But no, when it comes to Palestine, if they are Muslim they are painted as invaders, and people from all over the world who happen to pray to a God who people ruling there used to believe in 2000 years get to swan in, build settlements, commit genocide, and if we dispute that narrative it's antisemetic?

I know from your posting history it is purely because they are Muslim you feel like this, you already told us many times how barbaric you view such people. Now there definitely is a word for that....

Well, that's a bit rich considering you've just accused another poster of 'cherrypicking'.

UNWATCH, btw, is an accredited UN NGO.

i don't know why you would read one UN report but ignore another, except, maybe, you don't like what it says.

Why, for instance, do you quote a UN report which clearly used falsified data, but ignore a report that points that out?

He wanted to know why a lot of Irish people support Hamas. I just explained it to him.

You find disrupting a cycling race distasteful while defending the killing of tens of thousands of children.

Again @sheepysheep, you have it arseways to suit your narrative.

Irish people, due to our history, close families, and small geography, are largely very aware of what happened here under British occupation, some may have had family members killed, or who fled Ireland or emigrated due to the situation here. Many also have relatives who have fought for the British in wars etc, my family included in all these things mentioned above. Things are quite nuanced.

We do - generally speaking- empathise with the downtrodden, with colonized and occupied people, and are capable of seeing passed their religion in doing thisz which I find commendable. We did the same with the fledgling Israeli state.

Many of us understand wholeheartedly the need for resistance, and sometimes that can turn into violent resistance, in the face of the brutality of colonization. We also know what it is to be slandered, ridiculed and dehumanized by an occupier, and the blatant lies that go along with that. Most of us see very clearly what Israel is doing engaging in this nonsense, and are very skeptical when a powerful country is invading a weaker one whilst telling us the people are "human animals" or "barbarians", and deserving of slaughter.

That doesn't mean people then defacto support Jihadi terrorists who butcher teenagers at a music festival. This has been roundly condemned by almost all parties in Ireland, I have never met a single person in my actual life who condones that act or is supportive of Hamas terrorism (Im sure they exist, but thought I would have met one in the flesh by now the amount ye go on about it). Nor have I met a single person who isn't absolutely disgusted with Israels conduct.

So no, as much as you would like to paint it as so, opposition to this genocide isn't borne from anti semetism or terror support. It is born from hatred of that act, and ergo of the people who would debase themselves to that level to carry it out.

You, and you buddies, are incapable of discussing peoples abhorrence with Israel without manufactiring points of view for them - all to shut them down of course.

An eternal shame on those people.

Why do Israel supporters always have to resort to lies.