Israel/Palestine Thread

Yes, and that somehow excuses the actions of the Israeli state? The reality is that those Jews would probably have lived there even without the foundation of the state of Israel.

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do you think we are all thick and stupid or something?

do you seriously think we are going to believe this discredited claptrap BS?
it has been proven beyond all possible doubt that israel are committing genocide, that is a fact.
it has been proven beyond all posssible doubt that there is a famine in gaza and israel have even admitted they are starving the population, that is a fact.
it's over, you are a discredited poster and your claims have been discredited beyond all possibility.
israel is a genocidal racist apartheid state which lies, all of the time, they even admit to lieing indirectly (sometimes directly)

As has been pointed out numerous times by numerous posters it is the Palestinians who oppose the two start solution, around 60% in that poll I posted that everyone ignores.

I provided a 21 page academic rebuttal of the Un report, and you're basic response is 'Can't trust da joos".

It doesn't matter who wrote the report, only if it is academically valid.

There are plenty of Pro-Russia Putin Apologists on this thread, and funnily enough they are all anti-israel, and you engage with them just fine because it suits.

It is your contention that the rebuttal is biased. You are unable to even consider that the initial UN report was in fact the biased document.

I pointed out how the UN report used bogus data and effectively lied about its bonfides.

There is only one reason anybody would do that and that is because falsified data is required in order to make their case.

If the authors of that report were academics writing their dissertation their Professors would be hauling them in and slapping them on the head. They lied.

Your inabilty to engage with that fact is just a great example of a case of mountain sized confirmation bias. It does not matter a whit if that report was comissioned and writted by the ghost of Golda Meir herself. The only thing that matters if if it is academically sound. It is.

Regarding antisemitism, this thread has been nothing but a constant stream of antisemitism.

The UN definition of genocide is as follows:

Definition

Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide

Article II

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

1. Killing members of the group;
2. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
3. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
4. Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
5. Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

Now. The UN has found that Israel is already meeting 4 of the 5 points. Can you please tell me which of the points above would be invalidated by adding "but Hamas did this on Oct 7th '23" at the start of end of the report?

Israel vote in favour to annex the West bank. Just as Trump was saying it will not happen and a ceasefire is about to happen they launch another bomb to end negotiations. More strong words of condemnation on the way, maybe even 7% sanctions on oranges and avocado's.

Israel are committing genocide. It is undeniable. "Context" goes out the window when that line is crossed. A terrorist attack does not explain genocide, mass starvation of a population, and machines in process to steal their land.

If somebody was advocating for us to read mein kampf to find out why the holocaust was deserved, you'd find them extremist sickos right? That is the level you are on when you truly to defend the most heinous of crimes man is capable of.

Most of us are quite capable of calling out genocide as abhorrent without ever needing to delve into the reasons why it was "needed".

So Israelis are all for it right? Look at @brickster69 last post, a few up from this.

Yup fair enough - there are intricacies and complications involved, but they aren't barriers. Maybe it's the language I'm using - it is possible for anybody to become Jewish, if they put in the work. It's more difficult than Christianity, yes but every religion has it's rules- it is possible.

Once that possibility is there, it is a religion. If it were a racial thing - you could have Jewish Muslims or Hindus or Christians, but that is impossible. I can be 100% Irish and practice Judaism, it shouldn't mean I'm entitled to oust a native from their home just because they are Muslim.

Either way, it is v clear religion is being used as a basis for ethnic cleansing and annexation of territory / as a means to show inherent supremacy over the actual native people who have been living in that area all along.

Disrupting a cycling race is not peaceful protest though is it? In fact it's downright dangerous considering some of the speeds involved.

Do want such ghouls turning up at your workplace banging on your car as you go to work at INTEL or DELL or any of the many Israeli affilated companies in this country? I'd say not.

Those protesters are just self important, self absorbed troubemakers, out to cause as much chaos as they can, ideological cousins of the ' Stop big oil' wasters throwing paint on the Mona Lisa. They achieve nothing except sating their egotestical need for attention.

As i said i condemn physically attacking them. If they had protested peacefully i see no problem with it. I dont think it's fair to dismiss all protesters as self important and trouble makers. I doubt you would have characterised Irish people protesting the war in Ukraine in this way.

It's a pity you are selective in condemning violence against people. We know from interviews with ex IDF soliders they displayed a callous attitude to killing civilians. At least these cyclists can recover from this incident, civilians shot in back and killed can't recover. One solider involved in such an incident laughed and said he would claim it was self defense if there was any questions asked- there wasn't.

Have you had a chance to read over the UN report confirming genocide is occurring or are you still saying you've no time and continue to dip in and out refusing to answer questions and cherry picking posts to reply to?