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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,638 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    She disagreed with his view. boo hoo.

    Interference - is actually interfering in the running of a sovereign state.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,451 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Maybe you'll be less confused if you just read my actual words rather than exaggerating hugely?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,834 ✭✭✭liamtech


    We can and should comment on the alarming nature of the United States Political system. Iv brought it up on this thread numerous times. It worrys me that MAGA seems to be a contageous phenomena, with our very own offshoot starting to gain momentum in Ireland. You just have to look at McGuirk, Gript, and the whole 'Defund RTE' phenomena.

    We should always argue for the values of democracy, and the values that we used to share with most of the US electorate. Values which they seem to be abandoning en masse. The US under Trump/MAGA is diverging away from the western world, and embracing both isolationism, and a faltering democratic system. We can impact the discussion, if not the politics of the US, by highlighting the divergences, and encouraging a return to western democratic values. We could achieve a lot if we do it right.

    We very UNLIKELY to achieve anything at all, if our president:

    • Is referring to the US as an Imperial State
    • Saying that its negative impact is on par with that of Russia
    • Blaming US led organizations like NATO, for the actions of Russia, and other autocratic states.
    • Attacking other long term democratic allies, like Germany, thereby muddying the waters even more so
    • Attacking the entire European Union for its common sense approach at a time of serious instability

    I dont know really - i watched the week in politics today, and I could see stress on the faces of both the Labour and the Sinn Fein rep, in defending CC. I think Connolly can change direction, by reigning herself in on divisive topics, and unifying the country on issues that matter domestically. Were i advising her, i would urge her to step back from International Affairs, and concentrate on reaching out to the middle ground. She could do this - but i remain unconvinced that she wants to.

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,986 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    I suggest a letter to Monaghan Co Co about the officlal languages act might in order.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,873 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    "FFG tweedledumb and tweedledee".

    Do us a favour, buddy, ditch that tired auld cliche.

    Does you no favours at all, lad.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    That poster repeatedly brings up that photo every few days just to have a go at Humphreys. All the minorities are supposed to dance to the singular correct tune.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,638 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    HH is a bit conflicted on the Irish language if she has no opinion on her own village's unprecedented removal of the Irish language on their road signs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Your continual attempts to define Irishness in terms of the language contain very nasty 1930s undertones, I would advise you think carefully about repeatedly bringing it up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,451 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    If you're expecting Connolly to parrot the FG or FF line, you may well be sorely disappointed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,165 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Hang on now a minute @blanch152 I already explained this to you it is not a definition of Irishness to the exclusion of others.
    Which is what you are trying to portray it as.

    As if learning or promoting the Irish language excludes others. Those are your own biases with Irish equating it to exclusion/backwards. It is insincere.


    Gef your head out of that mindset. Is my advice. Educate yourself on the “youth”. Irish is cool now.

    As for @FrancieBrady he has limited interest in the Irish language but loves “weaponising” it. I think that is the wrong approach as well. Insincere.

    The two of you need to look at both the Drum/Droim issue and Dingle/Daingain issue from 2005. The common sense approach lies somewhere in between.

    Both @franciebrady and @blanch152 have the complete wrong mindset towards the Irish language. In my view. At an equally annoying attitude albeit for complete different reasons.

    Perhaps these two posters could do an online ciorcal comhra together? Time better spent!

    Unfortunately only one of the three presidential candidates have the correct attitude to OUR language. Anyone can learn it.

    Two bickering posters. who are insincere about the Irish language for various different reasons are symptoms of the problem, not the solution.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,834 ✭✭✭liamtech


    Honestly i am always very uncomfortable with the Politicization of the Irish Language. Whether its the DUP and radical loyalists shouting that its being used to 'tarnish Protestant culture', or in this case when it is being used to slap down a presidential candidate.

    Irish is the language of Ireland, it is a part of our culture. It belongs to us all, and we can embrace it, or chose not to. I had a very poor experience of having it rammed down my throat as a teenager - but it still matters to me, so my daughter went to an irish language school, and is bordering on fluent at this point. Others of my generation had a very similar experience to me, but went the opposite route. And they dont want it compulsory. I disagree depending on what level we are talking about, but i accept the opinion.

    HH doesnt speak Irish, ok. That is one issue, and she will lose points to CC, but so will JG. But HH is the one who is being hammered, which reeks of a double standard

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    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,133 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    You’re familiar with the current resident of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue? I have good reason to be worried.

    Do I contradict myself?
    Very well then I contradict myself,
    (I am large, I contain multitudes.)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,638 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Irish is the first official language of the state. It is enshrined in the legislation that both Irish and English be used on road signs.

    You don't think it warrants a question (to somebody who has promised to learn the language and hasn't and who professes to understand it's importance) as to how or why her home village got an unprecedented derogation?

    She may be the President of this state, I think we need to know if she approves of something like this or not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,834 ✭✭✭liamtech


    Honestly, all i am hoping for is that she starts to behave like a politician. Thats it, its actually not a high bar to jump.

    • I want her to realize that saying divisive and contentious things, about matters like foreign policy, is a poor political choice for a presidential candidate.
    • I want her to realise that thousands of activists screaming support for her at student conferences and rallys, is NOT going to get her elected (Jeremy Corbyn seemed to think it would, and sadly for Labour, we all know how that went)
    • I want her to realize that, even in a Presidential Election, she is standing for the LEFT of Ireland. And when she drags the debate into these contentious areas, she damages us all
    • I want her to keep her powder dry, until the budget. And then go after FFG, and make an impact. Even if it doesnt win the Aras, have it be that the country takes note of what FFG are doing at a time of huge cost of living increases.

    Just be a better politician really

    Honestly, im nearly certain at this stage, that we just backed the wrong candidate - all of the left did. We let the tail (activist class) wag the dog (the rest of us)

    Its embarassing really😑

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    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭harryharry25


    Yeh the sexual offender who our Taoiseach is out this weekend saying he wants him to address the Dail on his visit next year

    That scumbag? I'd be very worried if he's allowed anywhere near the Dail



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,834 ✭✭✭liamtech


    The question has been asked, and will be asked again in the debate, but it IS ONLY ONE QUESTION. Honestly dragging in, why her town doesnt have bi-lingual signage - come on. It is one topic - BTW telling me that its the first official language, etc, - yes i know, i never said otherwise.

    The entire bi-lingual signage thing is just tying this in to the argument in the North, and the politicization of the language. Given her background, (presbyterian, orange cultural background etc) - @FrancieBrady im not having a go you honestly. Please believe that.

    But the optics are all wrong.

    And damaging IMHO

    This matters to a lot of people, and they are free to vote with their feet, but continually dragging it in as THEE DISTINGUISHING ISSUE FOR HUMPHREYS - its poor, very poor

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,133 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    We still refuse to see how ridiculous asserting our neutrality is when we depend utterly on our former imperial masters to defend us if attacked. Talk of NATO is beside the point. First we need to have an army worthy of the name.

    Do I contradict myself?
    Very well then I contradict myself,
    (I am large, I contain multitudes.)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,165 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    You do realise in Dingle, they reverted back to Dingle on the road signs? As An Daingean was not practical for tourists/tourism.

    Furthermore, the dual usage of An Daingean/ Dingle proved impractical as signage. There is no excuse for this with Drum/Driom as the words are short.

    But I suspect your interest in the signage is not sincere. Albeit it does have merit in argument.

    Your banging of the “drum” sign is just a distraction tactic, and opportunism to stick the knife in on HH. As code for anti Orange Protestantism. Yet you yourself have shown very little interest in the Irish language on boards.ie before this. The irony is not lost on me.

    If Dingle a Gaeltacht area can change back to their English name for practical purposes. It shows to me signage is a non issue for those in the majority of the ROI - other than those who wish to weaponise and cynically politicise the language.

    There is a ciorcal comhra in Castlebaney library by the way!

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭harryharry25


    The reason our defence forces are in the state it is in, is decades and decades of under investment by FF and FG

    I wouldn't trust them to improve it without wasting billions of euro



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,133 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Up to a point, Lord Copper. They support that aspiration in rather different ways. FFG would be more along St. Augustine lines, ie, grant us UI but not yet.

    Do I contradict myself?
    Very well then I contradict myself,
    (I am large, I contain multitudes.)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,638 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Why is it a distraction?

    If HH is being dis-ingenuous about the language I think that should be asked about.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,986 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    He is quite right. I had noticed that sign myself, but was to lazy to write about it. This type of sectarian marking of places is common in the 6 counties but should not be allowed extend to the 26 counties.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,814 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    It's not in their remit to grant it though is it, anymore than SFs or any other political party for that matter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,165 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    I have already said HH is. Not to do with the signage up in Monaghan. Instead not putting the effort in to improve her fluency is my issue.
    But the difference between myself and yourself. I have an interest in the Irish language, not a faux concern.


    So it is not a critique centred in sincerity on your part, just a stick to beat a political candidate who doesn’t align with you politically.

    Yet you yourself are more than likely putting in the same amount of effort with the Irish language as HH is. Yet are critical of her efforts. But seem more concerned with the Drum sign. As doing so means you don’t have to question your own efforts re the Irish language. Instead point at a sign. And sneer. That is the distraction.

    I still think HH will make the best President out of the choices available despite my misgivings re the language and HH.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,814 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,638 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I don't have a problem with her not speaking the language and have not mentioned it as a bar to her being President.

    However, I DO expect her the uphold the language and the law relating to it.

    I would like to know why her home village got a derogation and what HH's opinion on it is.

    *I don't speak, write or understand Latin but I fully appreciate it's value and the need to preserve it, so you can stop the lofty nonsense about only being able to appreciate the importance of the Irish language if you speak it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,638 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,743 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Try telling "Russia is no threat to anyone outside of Ukraine" to the Poles, Estonians, Latvians, Lithuanians, Finns, Swedes… the latter two having only joined NATO since the illegal invasion of Ukraine. They all perceive a real threat and are damn right to perceive one.

    We can't allow drug smugglers to have a free hand in our waters. We need to significantly expand our Defence Forces. The storming of the MV Matthew made great TV but the navy, army and air corps only barely had enough resources available on the day to carry it off. That was only one ship. There are undoubtedly many others.

    Our seas and airspace are several times the size of our landmass. We have next to no capability to see what bad actors are doing and next to no capability to do anything about it. 75% of transatlantic internet cables pass through Irish waters. We are almost totally dependent on interconnectors for gas and that gas isn't just heating homes and factories, it's keeping the lights on too.

    Money is not an issue, it's political will that's lacking. Successive governments have treated our Defence Forces like dirt and excused their neglect by putting forward the bizarre notion that we have no enemies. CC even came out with the totally idiotic claim that we don't need an army. She wants to be commander in chief of our Defence Forces but has shown them incredible and shameful contempt.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,416 ✭✭✭pureza


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123858763#Comment_123858763

    Drum is a sort of unionist exclave is it not?

    A land that time forgot after partition

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,507 ✭✭✭ilkhanid


    And-for the second time-they are a threat to Georgia, occupying part of that country. Now Georgia and it's fate at the hands of Putin seems, for many people, to be ''a quarrel in a far away country between people of whom we know nothing'' but if the rest of Europe had paid attention it would have been better prepared for what was coming. Then there is another occupation, this time of part of Moldavia, and there is even less excuse for Europe's indolence about this matter, considering that Moldavia is closely related to Romania, an EU member. Both these occupations telegraphed Putin's intentions even before Crimea and showed that he regarded Russians or other ethnic groups in adjacent countries as his business.

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