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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 942 ✭✭✭Sugarbowl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,365 ✭✭✭✭893bet


    If you are a small farmer and you don’t like paying tax then you need to understand your accounts with out explaining. Keep a spreadsheet of in/out so you can adjust purchases/sales as needed in the same tax year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4 redJimmy


    Is there any free software or excel template out there you can sorta get an idea of what tax you mayme liable so then you increase purchases/expenses before end of year ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,040 ✭✭✭Jb1989


    A4 page and a bic biro pen.

    Write out your outgoings.

    Write out your incomings.

    Compare and contrast.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 765 ✭✭✭GNWoodd


    If a farmer is paying an employee on an occasional basis , giving the employee a cheque every month that he works for him

    Does the employee have to be set up properly with appropriate deductions etc or will Revenue allow the wages as a deduction against profits based simply on the money changing hands .
    Anyone any experience of this ?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,365 ✭✭✭✭893bet


    Being paid by cheque means you have record so you are fine including as an expense as such against the farm.

    Where the issue arrises the the tax due on the wages paid (employer prsi, USC, income tax etc). That needs to be paid. Now if the person was a contractor and invoicing you accordingly you would be ok as they would be sorting their end, but I doubt that’s the case and ignorance would be no defence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4 redJimmy


    How do you know what employer prsi, USC, income tax is owned if you paid a cheque for work every so often to a teenage son or daughter? And how do you pay it ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,039 ✭✭✭Stationmaster


    You need to register as an employer, then register the employee and work from there. There's packages out there for working it out and it's paid to revenue once a month.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 480 ✭✭Madd002


    You need to register them as employees, they wouldn't earn enough to pay tax as they'll have 4k of tax credits so will be way under the threshold if you only pay them sporadically by cheque.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,996 ✭✭✭JJayoo


    Met accountant today.....ouch 🤕 🤕

    If you buy machinery I know it goes against your tax over 8 years. What about land? Or if a person was to build a big lump of a shed?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭morphy87




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,215 ✭✭✭mr.stonewall


    Wait until next year and it will be worse unless you pay a fair chunk of preliminary tax this year.

    Most beef farmers need to be planning this from last June but definitely now to the end of the year. If it goes to next year the only option is the pension

    It's great to now have the option to put back into the farm and a good look at the accelerated capital allowances in the 2 schemes of farm safety and slurry storage is work a look. Quiet a few items will fall into both that could be done before the year end. These are written off over 2 years so it's well worth a Google of each

    Another are to consider is the repairs side of things. Jobs that had been put on the long finger could be done this year. Wages to spouse and children even for the next 3 months is worth considering.

    Another option to consider is if you are part time and already at the higher rate of tax before the farm is a company.

    Moves made over the next 2 months will help the situation for next year's tax bill and it doesn't have to be a new tractor or jeep



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,996 ✭✭✭JJayoo


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    Just sheep, the double Acres payment and better prices last year got me



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,314 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    You woukd want a serious tax issue and for it to be longterm before you consider a company.

    Even for 50k at the rate( you will pay 6250.k in company tax. You will pay 3k or more for company accounts as well as you sole trader accountants fees. You will have company registration fees etc some are one off some recurring.

    So in theory you save 15k however you have 40k inside in a company account that is not yours. Most lads farming in companies then. After ten years you have 400k in a company account that you can struggle to access or do anything with.

    I would perfer to have the 250k in my back pocket.

    Are you in a tax partnership with your spouse. That gives you two cars to write off. You can make pension contributing for both of you. Pension is a big one we put 55k into one the better half one between 2020 and 2023. Have you tarmac'ed the farm road. You need to spend the money and not like the dairy farmers be hoarding it.

    Wages For children from 14 years of age on. It limited at 14 years but from 16 on its nearly 10k now.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,846 ✭✭✭older by the day


    Solar panels, maybe,

    A bit of rock breaking, or reclaiming won't be long sorting your tax.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,996 ✭✭✭JJayoo


    After talking to a few people I really should be putting money into a private pension to lower tax burden, a bit clueless on all this stuff.

    Is the accountant the person to go through for this? She hasn't mentioned anything about it in the past 🤔



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 834 ✭✭✭RedDevil55


    How do people here manage their book keeping throughout the year.. do you pay someone monthly to gather receipts or do you keep track yourself and go to an accountant once a year?

    Suckler and sheep enterprise for what it's worth.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 834 ✭✭✭RedDevil55


    You'll need to set up a private pension with Zurich, New Ireland, Davy, Irish Life etc then start putting money in.

    The accountant will then put down the contribution on your tax return and you'll get 20/40% back depending on your tax bracket.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 976 ✭✭✭lmk123


    I put the first receipt or 2 of the year into a folder in the filing cabinet, I keep the rest in the car, tractor, drawers, trousers, wallet and even a few this year under blocks of timber in the shed, it usually ends up in me going mental looking for receipts and swearing that I’ll do it better from now on. Having accounts set up in places to get a print out at the end of the year and asking people to email receipts where possible are the only things that save me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,215 ✭✭✭mr.stonewall


    Doing vat here and have set up folders in Google drive. Whenever I have them just take a pic and it uploads it as a PDF.

    Vat is every 2 months so it's folder for 2025 followed by sub folders for Jan-Feb, March- April etc. Works well as anything emailed can be dumped into its own folder. Way less minding. Still have zip folder in the jeep which stuff is put into



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 834 ✭✭✭RedDevil55


    Might try and do that myself next year.. do you share the Google drive with your accountant this time every year then for tax returns?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,215 ✭✭✭mr.stonewall


    Used to to it that way but the iT now won't let it happen. All I do is merge them into relevant pdfs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,820 ✭✭✭Sami23


    Keep all receipts in a folder and then before tax return every October put everything into an excel file and email that on to the accountant with sales income included.

    Also, send opening and closing stock numbers and machinery details if anything purchased etc.

    By putting that little bit of effort into it helps keep the accountant bill down also 😎

    Anyone here know much about AVC's as I think that's another way of keeping tax bill down.

    Need to do something myself due to cattle prices been so good this year.

    Post edited by Sami23 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,193 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    Anyone try uploading the receipts and things to chatgpt yet and get it to do the accounts for ya?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 266 ✭✭Tibulus


    @Sami23 AVC are limited to a percentage of your total income. Under 40 is 20% and over 40 is 25%, increases with age. Upto a max total income of 125k. And any contributions made by off farm income does not come out of that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 559 ✭✭✭anthony500_1


    A biscuit tin in the front of the jeep keeps everything in order here 🤣🤣🤣

    Not sure the accountant is overly happy with this process but at least every last dam receipt is in there for him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,434 ✭✭✭jfh


    I use the onedrive, try to take a picture when I get a receipt and upload straight away to a folder for that year's accounts, eg diesel goes into diesel folder etc..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,420 ✭✭✭Hard Knocks


    Is there any advantage of a private pension over the proposed compulsory pension?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,618 ✭✭✭J.O. Farmer


    You mean employers contributions don't count towards the limit. Pretty sure personal contributions from off farm income do.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,618 ✭✭✭J.O. Farmer


    Probably not, in the proposed compulsory pension the employer makes contributions.

    Presumably the private pension would have no employer contributions or the new compulsory pension wouldn't be necessary.

    If there's a private pension scheme with employer contributions you should definitely be in it otherwise you're giving up extra pay.



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