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But yet you think such carry on is ok for some others.

My personal preference is NO public displays by any side and a moritorium on flags and parades by ANY side.

However I recognise that is not practical and would likely require force.

I'd prefer we could have an adult conversation about what is respectful commemoration.

You clearly are not ready for that as you make no allowances for one communities sensitivities while fulminating about another's.

As I understand it, the Treaty applied to the whole island of Ireland with a provision that N Ireland could opt out, so technically speaking what was N Ireland ceased to exist as it did before the treaty, and only came into existence when that option was exercised, so thereby only exists since that date

You say "America can do as it pleases" when it comes to naming a football ground beside a Mosque in America after one of the bombers / hi-jackers of 9/11. But yet the party you follow is very critical of America when it comes to their support for Israel? It cannot do as it pleases then?

I have picked more than one public display by one side - I have discussed the naming of football grounds and GAA competitions, and offices after dead terrorists, as well as the association of a dead terrorist with a band on the Shankhill rd.

It is very puzzling why name football grounds and football competitions, and offices, in N.I. can be named after some bombers as long as they were Republicans, but grounds, competitions, offices etc elsewhere should not be, given the only difference between the twin towers and Enniskillen or Le Mons is one of scale?

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I never said it was puzzling people wish to commemorate their dead. I said "It is very puzzling why football grounds and football competitions, and offices, in N.I. can be named after some bombers as long as they were Republicans, but grounds, competitions, offices etc elsewhere should not be, given the only difference between the twin towers and Enniskillen or Le Mons is one of scale?"

Big difference. Of course people are free to remember their dead privately. Would you agree with the Muslim community naming a football ground beside a Mosque in America after one of the bombers / hi-jackers of 9/11? Should'nt they be free to commemorate their dead too, if communities elsewhere in the world can name football grounds, offices, gaa competitions after other deceased bombers?

So you think it would be perfectly ok to name a football ground, sports competition or offices after , say, Michael Stone? ( he, in case others do not know was the person associated with the Milltown Cemetery attack which took place in 1988 at Milltown Cemetery in Belfast…during the large funeral of three pIRA members killed in Gibraltar, a loyalist terrorist, Michael Stone, attacked the mourners with hand grenades and pistols.)

Or you would be ok with a football ground beside a Mosque in NYC named after a 9/11 bomber - one of those who flew one of the planes in to the twin towers. So we can have Mohammed Atta playing fields in N.Y.C, after the hijacker who piloted American Airlines Flight 11 into the World Trade Center's North Tower. 

Joe Brolly said: 'It's nobody's business if GAA clubs are named after dead republican paramilitaries'

And you are of the opinion it is nobody's business if some club in New York is called after Mohammed Atta, with a memorial there. Or Michael Stone pitch and football club in Belfast, playing for a competition named after Stone, beside offices named after Stone. Yeah. I do not think you have thought that one through.

So in America, your preference is for no flags and parades. I guess that means no Memorial Day in USA - it is a federal holiday in the United States for mourning the U.S. military personnel who died while serving in the United States Armed Forces. It is observed on the last Monday of May. You better not tell Americans that. Very proud of their flags and parades, and many feel strongly about those who committed 9/11.

Anyway, this debate is not about flags or parades, please do not move the goalposts. You have not answered the question: would you be ok with a football ground beside a Mosque in NYC named after a 9/11 bomber - one of those who flew one of the planes in to the twin towers. So we can then have Mohammed Atta playing fields in N.Y.C, after the hijacker who piloted American Airlines Flight 11 into the World Trade Center's North Tower?  

Yourself and Joe Brolly seem to think it ok to have GAA pitches etc named after dead republican terrorists, so can we take it you would have no problem naming a football ground, sports competition or offices after, say, Michael Stone in East Belfast? Or if so, of course there would have to be a bi-lingual sign saying Micheál Cloch? 😄

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What about sports grounds or offices named after individuals who acted outside the law? Some are already named as you know.

Why do I get the impression the only, 'group' you're OK with being memorialised and commemorated are those that one side have as much legitimate grievance with as the rest have with the Provos?

The vast majority adhered to rules, did not intimidate or collude and did not break any laws. Otherwise the death toll would have been much higher. Personally I made many hundreds if not thousands of visits to N.I. during the troubles for social, sporting, family and work purposes, encountered many checkpoints, and any security forces in NI. were always courteous and professional to me, as a southerner. The last thing they wanted to be doing was manning checkpoints, in all weathers, at risk to themselves, but was necessary to keep a lid on paramilitary violence, help deter or reduce movement of paramilitary arms and explosives etc.

Downcow made a good point. He or she said republican memorials remember individuals who have terrorised their own communities and carried out sectarian murder ( I’m sure there must also be loyalist ones but I honestly can’t think of anything more than the occasional painted walls, which will fade over time). Could you give me an example of memorials to loyalist sectarian killers in rural towns and villages across ni?

Also there are football pitches and competitions commemorating republican paramilitaries. Are there any commemorating loyalist ones? Or ir it nobody's business if most if not all of the sectarian commemorating is on one side?