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Presidential Election 2025

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭Charlo30


    I somehow suspect that if Steen had got on the ballot we'd wouldn't be hearing a peep out of some people about the apparent unfairness of the process



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,322 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Cora Stack's published CV is EIGHTEEN pages long, so I don't think having a short period of time to write arguments is going to hold her back in providing exceptionally prolix ones!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,809 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    The fact that SF backed CC is baffling to me. I'm actually disappointed with all three selected candidates, to think that they are the best they could come up with. If MMG had kept her health she would have waltzed in. I like HH, but ........the OO connection doesn't help me on her. JG, ??? not for me, Billie kellegher would have been a better choice IMO for FF. CC, a very nice person, well educated and accomplished in her own right, but … prone to extreme gaffs and poor choices in her compadre list.

    I'm still mulling this over and actually undecided as yet between HH and CC.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 11,080 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    It does not matter, the voters have a right to expect members elected on a party platform to support that party not go off playing for the opposition.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,688 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Fionnan Sheahan on Newstalk lacerating the likes of McDowell and Craughwell for not nominating Steen when she was so close to getting on the ballot. Says they have been lecturing everyone about "democracy" for years and telling us the Seanad is not archaic and absolutely vital to the political process, but then refused to nominate anyone.



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,287 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Well, exactly.

    There just isn't the widespread support for Candidates sharing her viewpoints.

    If there was, more of them would have been elected in the recent Dail and Council elections and she would have gotten a nomination.

    But they weren't so why should she get on the ballot when her "base" is virtually non-existent?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,690 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    Barring something spectacularly unexpected I think it's a safe bet that turnout is going to be very, very low for this election. 3 utterly uninspiring candidates.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,298 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    is his argument that they should nominate anyone who wants to take a punt?



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,287 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Why??

    If they don't agree with her views, why on earth should they support her??

    I just don't understand the "logic" of this argument at all.

    "I despise everything you stand for, but sure I'll give you a nomination to provide you with a huge platform to espouse your hateful retrograde nonsense to the nation for a month because……….."

    Just no.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,688 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Sheahan pointed out that even left wing Oireachtas members who don't particularly like Steen or agree with her policies nominated her. McDowell & Co. knew full well how close she was to getting on the ballot (i.e. a credible candidate at least) and still refused point blank to sign her papers.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,322 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    The only allegedly left wing Oireachtas member who nominated her was Gogarty, who based on his previous nomination of Aontu's Senator, I suspect holds similar views to Steen on certain matters anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,992 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Its funny but I see some people say Steen should be nominated despite her views but also Connolly should be questioned for nominating O'Doherty.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,330 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Yes because they dont think she deserves to be nominated…. sheahans argument is child level fvcking stupid, if the other left wing oireachtas members jumped off a cliff should mcdowell & co do the same?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,631 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Political parties should have one nomination like everyone else.
    If FF FG SF The Greens etc nominate via the Oireachtas then their councillors vote should be automatically an abstain vote at CC level.

    Keep the nominations required at 4 councils.
    What happened here by accident or design was the CC route was turned into an extension of the Oireachtas route.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 31,496 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I really do not think there is much overlap in those positions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,322 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    This would give Independent councillors an absolutely unjustifiably high ability to get people nominated. It would allow seven further candidates to be nominated by the reps of ~20% of the population; which if repeated in the Oireachtas would only get max two.

    This was by design. 2011 and 2018 were outliers due to no FF / no FF/FG candidates.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,871 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    So in 2025, rather than Sheridan getting 2 and McCarthy getting 1, you would have zero for anybody.

    In a 30 or 40 seat Council, no circumstances are going to see 90% abstain so that a couple of local independents or single issue Members can decide who to nominate on behalf of the whole Council. What does that say to the local voters who put them all there, that their vote, in this case, meant nothing??

    Absurd suggestion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,992 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    There's a lot of people sour because McDowell turned out to be nothing like the fantasy they had built in their heads. The religious right and the forever anti establishment people were even calling for him to be president.

    He is a contrarian and curmudgeon who opposed the last referendum for very different reasons to the religious far right.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 31,496 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    “We’re increasing our spend all over Europe on the military industrial complex. They’re absolutely championing the cause of the military industrial complex in Germany, as a booster for the economy,” she said.

    “Seems to me, there are some parallels with the ’30s. I don’t wish to depress you. There is hope. And we have voices. And we can use them. ”

    Well, she hasn't stopped with the utterly absurd statements. There are in fact no parallels with the 30s and seems to me that she is historically incompetent if she thinks there are.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2025/09/25/catherine-connolly-compares-german-arms-build-up-with-1930s/

    The closest parallels you could make all revolve around Russia imperialism but that doesn't get a mention.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,871 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    What do you mean "still"?

    It was through seeing her operate up close that Michael McDowell made the decision that she was dangerous, and didn't want to see her next or near the presidential race.

    He was never going to nominate her in a million years.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,330 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Absolutely just look at mcguirk crying tears because McDowell wasn't the fantasy secret right winger they all tricked themselves into believing he was

    Its almost like there is some large looming reason the likes of Germany are building up their military again…..



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,287 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    But it is an extension of the Oireachtas route. It's working exactly as intended.

    People making noise about there being only 3 candidates ignore the fact that we've only had more than 3 candidates 3 times in the history of the State.

    The idea that anyone should facilitate a nomination for someone they disagree with out of some idea of Democratic balance is quite frankly, stupid.

    And saying that parties should abstain once their candidate secure the nomination is equally silly.

    If your party puts someone forward then it's your job to help that person get elected. It's not your job to facilitate the opposition.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,631 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    *Edit,
    Should have posted that in the Nomination thread. Don't want to drag this off topic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,322 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    There's parallels with the 30s at the moment alright - but in the USA, and relating to very different aspects of the 30s.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,789 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    The way I see it there are 2 reasons to nominate somebody. Either firstly you support their views or secondly you feel that their name on the ballot paper is a good idea.

    Connolly was questioned this morning on Newstalk and confirmed her nomination for GOD was very much in the second category. I assume the pro-govt supporters will continue to question and get the same answers



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 759 ✭✭✭GNWoodd


    Anyone that was within two votes should certainly have been allowed get on the ballot . And let the people decide



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 759 ✭✭✭GNWoodd


    Who has said that they despise everything she stands for ?
    Which of those with the casting votes has said that ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,330 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    So going off that she should then be asked why she believed Gemmas name on the ballot was a good idea? Maybe her Anti-Vax beliefs? Her accusations that Veronica Guerins brother was involved in her murder? The former of which she was quite vocal about prior to the 2018 election and the latter occurred during one of the councils hearings for her nomination.

    At the very least she should now be able to admit she was wrong and with the hindsight of what we all absolutely do know about gemma now that she probably shouldn't have nominated her. The fact she continues to not do that makes no sense and indicates a rather large character flaw of her being unable to admit she can ever be wrong about anything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,992 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Well if 18 votes gets you an automatic bonus 2 then just set the limit at 18.

    The limit is 20 and that's what you need to get. There is no deserve this or that and nk freebies.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,512 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    I listened to the interview on the Newstalk website.

    She was asked about Gaza but afterwards when asked about the role of the President she made a point of mentioning this particular bit in the oath of office.

    "that I will dedicate my abilities to the service and welfare of the people of Ireland."

    Irish Statute Book Constitution of Ireland

    She referenced it with regards to homelessness in Ireland but also with regards to 'the genocide happening in Gaza'.

    How 'the service and welfare of the people of Ireland' is served by speaking out on what's happening in the Middle East is beyond me and I wouldn't be a supporter of the way Israel has conducted its war on Hamas in Gaza.

    I think she's interpreting the constitution to serve her own agenda. This has the potential to be problematic if she's elected.



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