Manchester United Thread 25/26 - Teamtalk/Transfers/Gossip Mod Note in OP 26.09.24

because the club don't think Bayindir is good enough.

It is that simple, imo.

I'll see you back here after a 4-0 drubbing.

Sunderland will catch plenty of teams out this year. Very impressive and dangerous.

They're unbeaten at home, including a draw against Chelsea. Weakened yes, but I'd wager still capable of making it very uncomfortable for our lot.

We should beat Brentford but those throw ins will cause chaos.

Facts are we've only beaten a 10 man team and a promoted team with a last minute penalty, I will carry on because stats mean nothing only results.

Yes actual improvements not XG, not still **** it at set pieces, unable to finish, awful passing, not much has changed.

Sure you want Amorim out too? This post feels like an attack for the sake of it.

Some other facts and stats for you.

After the win on Saturday, Rubin Amorim's win rate as manager in the league is 9 wins from 32, which is 28.1%, with 7 draws and 16 defeats making up the balance. A total of 34 points in 32 games.

Of the 9 wins he's got in the league, 4 have come in 5 games against promoted teams, and with the other a draw. So 13 points out of the 34 have come against promoted teams. The other 27 games have yielded just 21 points.

In terms of goal difference, we stand at -11 over the 32 games. The goal difference in the 5 games against the promoted clubs stands at +7. The goals difference against the non-promoted clubs stand at -18.

Based on that record, regardless of how well we played/didn't play or the in-games stats, it's not unreasonable in the slightest to suggest that winning at home after scoring a last second penalty against Burnley, a promoted team, is United scraping a win given our humiliatingly poor record in getting wins at all under Amorim. Because that's the level we've been reduced to.

IMO the trend of the stats IS showing improvement.

IMO we are attacking better, we are getting into better positions - and our execution is letting us down.

I think we played well vs Burnley and execution in both boxes let us down, but the overall approach, use of the ball, structure was better. I thought first half vs Fulham we were the better side, and the talk of them tactically out doing us is rubbish. I thougt vs Arseanl we were good and deserved a draw. Vs City, we were poor in key moment and when we looked good it was cause City backed off and let us have the ball. I think Chelsea only looked good vs us because we then did the same - backed off and let them have the ball - and they created near nothing. City did it to us, City tried to do it to Arsenal, Liverpool did it to Arsenal, Arsenal probably did it to us tbf.

And I dont think i am Amorim out, today anyway. But I am 'we have to start doing better' and 'i'm waiting for Amorim to prove himself'. He's no credit it in the bank with me. If we sacked him tomorrow I wouldn't be surprised or outraged. I think he is making errors within his own system and selection and those errors will cost him.

But I do think your (paraphasing) 'Everything is sh1t, we've only played sh1t, and have sh1t to show for it' is just a tad harsh on the performances!

i claim no responsibility or liability for my immediate reactions to line ups, and/or results. (!!)

It might be ETH again. Personally i think the brand of football he was attempting was unsustainable and impossible at the elite level. I don't think the same is true of what i think amorim is going for - but I am becoming less convinced my perception of what he is aiming for is correct, or his ability to work around the problems our player quality results in.

I'm also becoming less patient in seeing hopeful signs within our play and waiting for those to become more consistent. its been 10 months.

One month left to achieve the monumental feat of winning 2 league games in a row before Amorims anniversary, yet despite the games including Sunderland, Brentford, Brighton and Forest, I bet nobody here has put much money on it happening.

I wouldn't go making bets here, nobody else is going to.

Yes.

Cunha has missed a couple he should have scored.
Casemiro missed a (meaningless) sitter vs City
Amad missed a sitter vs Fulham (or was it burnley)
Bruno missed a sitter.

2 of our 5 games have come against two of the best teams from last season. a 3rd game against the 'world champions'.

Cunha has played 3, should have a couple imo.
Sesko hasn't had a proper run yet - first start vs City was always going to be tough.

I think we are getting the ball forward better, I think we are getting into dangerous positions better. I think the players are failing to make the right decisions (passing to the open man out wide) in overloads, and we are missing chances we should score.

We have the most touches in the box… from a team that had hojlund not getting on the ball at all in the box last season. I think there are clear signs that structurally there is improvement but we need to see it result in goals.

I dunno how the eff you can see Amad blaze over an open goal, for example, and suggest that is NOT an execution problem. He'd have scored it if it was 433? He'd have scored it if Amorim told him to?

Cunha vs Arsenal?

And, in general, I think our 'last pass' is still poor too often - and that is 100% execution. if you can't play it to the open man, that isn't tactical.

But whatever, we aren't scoring goals so therefor absolutelty everything must still be the same as it was, no different, just as rubbish as it was last season. nothing has changed at all.

Vivell strikes again!

Hahahaha brilliant!

I think that Grimsby game is also staining the season badly for everyone.

We've not been great and there are considerable issues, no denying that. But there's also no denying that we're better than last season in terms of performance even if not results.

But as others have pointed out, even with the pre-season optimism, most predicted a loss to Arsenal & City, win against Burnley, probably draw with Chelsea and draw or win against Fulham.

So if we all had a crystal ball pre season and saw the current points total most of us would have shrugged our shoulder and thought "seems reasonable".

But that horror show against Grimsby, the fall out in terms of Onana, Amorim's meltdown and the general feeling of rock bottom that it brought about really left a sh*t stain on the season thus far. The nature of the City performance also, to a lesser extent.

If we'd spanked Grimsby 3-0 and then had all the same league results I think everyone would be a bit less gloomy.