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Presidential Election.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,581 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    "Two Protestants were appointed President without election"

    I know Douglas Hyde was appointed but the only other Protestant AFAIK was Childers but he was elected.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,191 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    He graduated from Trinity in 1993.

    Trinity College Alumni Awards October 19 2023 - Trinity Development & Alumni - Trinity College Dublin https://www.tcd.ie/alumni/news-events/awards/2023.php



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,028 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    Nobody is being excluded.

    Maria Steen couldn't get enough backers out of all the independents/parties who had not pledged to back anyone. There was far more than 20 of them.

    So someone tell me, how in the name of f*ck is that Fianna Fail and Fine Gael's fault?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,467 ✭✭✭almostover


    Is Jim Gavin not Catholic? Catherine Connolly was raised Catholic and now is not religious.

    The first president of Ireland was Protestant. Mary Robinson was from a family who had mixed religious backgrounds and was married to an Anglican.

    Presume you've heard of Erskine Childers too? Another former president who was Protestant.

    I think your rationale for spoiling your vote is way off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,467 ✭✭✭almostover


    I'm looking forward to all those who are complaining that Maria Steen was excluded from the ballot themselves forming a Catholic Conservative party and winning many many seats in the next Local and General elections. Then in 7 years time Maria will have plenty of councillors and TDs to nominate her.

    I'm also looking forward to seeing pigs fly....



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,028 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    I don't care what perception is there. Fianna Fail and Fine Gael have their own candidates in the race. Why should any of them break ranks unless they wanted to disassociate themselves from their respective parties altogether?

    I believe Maria Steen's views for the most part are abhorrant and she wants to put herself in a job as head of state while she advocates for women to be at home. It's the worst kind of hypocrisy HOWEVER I believe she, while coming nowhere close to winning, would have made it a more interesting race.

    Having said all of that, she had to convince Independents and right-leaning parties to back her and she left it far, far too late to do anything about it.

    That is her fault and it is the fault of those independents for their inability to mobilise and get behind someone.

    For anyone to say this is Fianna Fail and Fine Gael's fault are so far out of touch with reality and it's only being said because a loud social media few didn't get what they want.



  • Site Banned Posts: 4,164 ✭✭✭Oíche Na Gaoithe Móire


    FF and FG had a good few who might vote Steen spancilled!

    A lot of those Independents were left wing, wouldn't vote for her. She got a good few of the more right wing Independents.

    Some Independents in government were cagey also.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,028 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    So why is this Fianna Fail and Fine Gael's fault?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,191 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    There is no provision for "write in" votes.

    Your ballot paper will go in the spoiled vote pile and be recorded as such along with the papers spoiled by mistakes or scrawled slogans and obscenities.

    Not alone will you be wasting your time but the people who actually vote will decide the outcome which you will have no say in.



  • Site Banned Posts: 4,164 ✭✭✭Oíche Na Gaoithe Móire


    I answered it. Read what I said. I'm not typing it out again. Good luck.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,028 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    I did read what you said, you spoke about 'perceptions'.

    Speak in some facts there, and answer my question.

    Otherwise you can step off and let the adults talk.

    Mod Edit: Warned for attacking the poster

    Post edited by Necro on


  • Site Banned Posts: 4,164 ✭✭✭Oíche Na Gaoithe Móire


    I answered you again after that.

    I'm not typing the post again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,028 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    Not interested in a discussion, then.

    Interesting that you run away when challenged.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,925 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Despite all the fuss around this low impact election, we still have a government who were on holidays for most of the summer and are continuing to make a dog's dinner of our housing and infrastructure and the cost of living (e.g. electricity price rises). From all accounts planning applications have nosedived which means the housing crisis will only get worse and worse year by year. They are getting a free pass on all of it.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Site Banned Posts: 4,164 ✭✭✭Oíche Na Gaoithe Móire


    You're an adult?! You don't act like it. Just a windbag with a temper tantrum who can't handle people with differing views to you. With your 'abhorrant' 🤣 I'm not paying a sub on a site to have a nobody like you talking down to me.

    You got your answer on MM ringing around TDs warning of 'serious consequences' if voting for Steen etc. Cowardliness in their ranks too.

    Mod Edit: Warned for personal abuse

    Post edited by Necro on


  • Site Banned Posts: 4,164 ✭✭✭Oíche Na Gaoithe Móire


    I've put my point across and elaborated. I've nothing else to say to you.

    You're not debating a point. You said leave the discussion to the adults, you started insulting.

    Let me spell it out for you. I've articulated all I wanted to say. I've no intention of to and fro with you. For 2 reasons.

    1. You can't accept other opinions.
    2. You resort to insults.

    Good luck.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,028 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    Pointing out the idea that Maria Steen not getting a nomination is FF and FG's fault as utterly stupid is 'being a windbag with a temper tantrum'?

    A party leader rang around his TDs to remind him that the party has its own candidate? Oh the horror of it all. Someone call the treason unit.

    Funny that those without a party whip who refused to sign for her, those you included in your post like Canney and Grealish, and the likes of Michael McDowell, would have got her over the line.

    But no, Micheal Martin reminding the FF parliamentary party that they have their own candidate, who was chosen via an internal democratic process, is the problem.



  • Site Banned Posts: 4,164 ✭✭✭Oíche Na Gaoithe Móire


    A few people in Laois I was chatting with all brought up the point why didn't Sean Fleming FF have the courage to break ranks. He's 67. It wouldn't effect him too much.

    His background wouldn't be too far removed from Steen. And apparently a lot of constitutents were on to him. A lot of that type of lack of courage about. And excessive direction from the top.



  • Site Banned Posts: 4,164 ✭✭✭Oíche Na Gaoithe Móire




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 780 ✭✭✭Bitcoin


    It's a good job we have a very excellent candidate in Catherine Connolly as an alternative to those two dopes.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,028 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    Why didn't Michael McDowell sign her papers?

    Why didn't Sean Canney?

    Noel Grealish?

    Michael Lowry?

    They're independents and not members of any party.

    Sean Fleming took part in the Fianna Fail process. They have a candidate. To even suggest he should have broken ranks for no reason other than just because is genuinely insane.

    If you're pissy about Maria Steen not getting on the ballot paper - look no further than the four who literally had nothing stopping them from signing her papers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,581 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    "Why didn't Michael McDowell sign her papers?"

    Pat Leahy in the IT suggesting it was because he disagrees with her on a number of issues but also believed she could have actually won against the other three. Didn't want her to be President so wasn't prepared to nominate her.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,437 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    In theory yes, but is nominating someone to get on the ballot necessarily a 'show of support' for that candidate? Several people who nominated Steen admitted they had no intention of voting for her and would vote for someone else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,028 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    Yes, because they were independents and they were free to do as they wished.

    When a party runs a candidate, it makes utterly no sense for members of that party to allow someone else to run.

    If a candidate is looking for members of said party to defect, then they're deluded and have reached desparation levels.

    Also, let's not shy away from the possibility that the Steen camp did it so they could then point the finger later on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,028 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    And there in lies the problem

    McDowell doesn't want her to be President so gets off scot free, but big bad Mickey Martin has ruined it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,437 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    What would be the issue with 'allowing someone else to run'? It almost suggests a huge insecurity and lack of faith in their own candidate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,028 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    I'll challenge anyone who wants to peddle the nonsense that Maria Steen not getting on the ballot is the fault of FF or FG, because it is a load of bullsh*t and it's just the latest example of crybaby politics.

    Insult you? You're acting like a child. You refused to engage properly (after you were the one who replied to me in the first instance!) and when I try to encourage you to have a conversation you throw the toys out of the pram.

    Suggesting that a FF TD could have signed the papers is a red herring when there are literal independents who have no whip and are free to nominate whoever they choose.

    However you, for some reason, are making excuses for those independents and pointing the finger at members of a party that actually have a f*cking candidate in the race.

    Why are you incapable of understanding this?

    Mod Edit: Warning issued for attacking the poster

    Post edited by Necro on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,179 ✭✭✭Acosta


    Would reasonable Catholics have any interest in voting for her anyway? The mass going practiceing Catholics I know have zero time for the Youth Defence crowd, after their behavior during the marriage equality and Repeal refs.

    I'm not sure if the election needed a more conservative candidate. But I don't think it needed someone who's probably more conservative than most Irish conservatives. And is basically known for being a prominent member of a evangelical Catholic lobby group, with some shady financial backing.



  • Site Banned Posts: 4,164 ✭✭✭Oíche Na Gaoithe Móire


    6am start tomorrow, so time to call it a day. Falling asleep!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,172 ✭✭✭Gen.Zhukov


    Fook me, what a choice we have - A woman that the rest of the english speaking world will struggle to understand (without an interpreter), Crazy cat lady…

    crazy cat lady.jpg

    …and someone that has the charisma of a medium sized turnip

    Once again, I'm embarrassed to be Irish

    The only upside to all of this is, that Brian Wright (the Hannibal Lecter of the animal kingdom) won't be able to torture his animals for an hour or so as he heads down to the polling station to vote for Heather

    A former Department of Agriculture official said he believes an intervention by Heather Humphreys, Fine Gael’s presidential candidate, prompted the collapse of a criminal investigation into a farmer repeatedly accused of animal cruelty.

    Shocking stuff

    https://archive.ph/PN3Mo



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