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Neighbour refusing SIRO wayleave — any advice?

  • 11-09-2025 11:16AM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3


    Hi all,

    I’m trying to get SIRO fibre installed in my home, but the cable would need to run across my neighbour’s property. He isn’t very tech-savvy and has refused to sign the wayleave so far.

    The problem is that I self-host some services from home, and my current coaxial connection just isn’t good enough. I really need a stable fibre connection, but I’m stuck because of the neighbour’s refusal.

    Has anyone here had success convincing a reluctant neighbour to sign a wayleave? Is it better to explain the benefits (like property value, future-proofing, maybe even for their own future use), or to let SIRO/the installers handle that conversation? Also, is there any realistic chance of an alternative route being offered if he doesn’t agree?

    Any advice from people who’ve been through this would be much appreciated.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,676 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    The installers aren't sales-people, they will have a take-it or leave-it approach to the situation. In my opinion your best bet is to meet him for a coffee and explain what the cable will do for both of you and explain that these things typically get left without being touched for 20 years or so. Also go through his concerns, especially around potential property damage and dirt from the installation (ie that you'll ensure to explain that all to the installer before they proceed with work). If the issue is more so that he's against all third-parties having a wayleave on his property, then you might need to walk before you end up bundling him up in a CAT6 cable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,469 ✭✭✭JVince


    Problem is the neighbour has probably heard from some eejit that it could cause cancer or some other conspiracy theory BS.

    Its very difficult to bring sense into anyone that believes conspiracy theories

    I'd let the installers handle it, but maybe look at the benefits it brings to the neighbour (video medical - security systems - man down system if they are elderly) and see if it can be dropped into conversations



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭Glenomra


    A way leave on his property could affect any future sale of his property. He is right to be concerned. You have work to do in convincing him to allow you cross his property. You are very quick to introduce conspiracy theories into the equation when he probably has very valid legal concerns.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3 artzer


    He has flat out refused for any cabling to pass over the facade of his house. How do I proceed in this situation when this is likely the only way for the cabling to reach my house? Fibre is really important to me for my work and also for hosting services, and coaxial is not sufficient for me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,710 ✭✭✭KildareP


    There's not a whole lot you can do unless SIRO are willing to find another route. Unfortunately for you unless there is a significant number of properties further downstream from you that would be impacted by not rerouting the cable, they won't, as it just won't make economic sense to do so.

    You might have some hope in that Virgin (presumably, since you mention coax) might upgrade their own coax network with fibre under the existing wayleaves they have in place. OpenEir will also most likely upgrade their own copper network in the coming years with fibre, again using existing access methods.

    There's lots of cases of estates in Dublin served by Virgin where a certain portion of houses at the end of a run haven't any service available from them because of a property along the way refusing access.

    As a last resort you could approach a microwave provider like Viatel (Digiweb), Enet, Virgin Business, etc. to see could you get a conneciton that way if connectivity really is that critical.

    • Bonus: their microwave connections are symmetrical up to 1Gb.
    • Drawback: Yes, that three-digit price they will quote you really is per month, not per year!
    • Possible problem: You will need a microwave antenna on the roof, anything up to 60cm diameter, typically.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,680 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    can you give one example of this? with regards to broadband as oppose to a MV or HV electricity line

    Fibre broadband can increase properties value



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 857 ✭✭✭NotShero



    As @KildareP has mentioned, ask Virgin when are they upgrading the coax to FTTP in your area and check OpenEir to see when they are upgrading your area to FTTP also -

    https://www.openeir.ie/fibre/broadband-checker



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 724 ✭✭✭Whatwicklow


    I'd suggest actually speaking with your neighbour, listen to his issues. Are they engineering, spurious or other.

    Engineering issues can be addressed, cable hidden in trunking to match the facia, no drilling, etc etc

    If you know the actual difficulty you have a fighting chance,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,903 ✭✭✭horse7


    Are you friendly with the neighbour or just like a lot of neighbours friendly when they need something?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 701 ✭✭✭MakersMark


    Wayleaves usually include compensation...have you offered the neighbour anything?

    Is Starlink an option for you?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,109 ✭✭✭jos22


    same boat where we are, 3 housing estates 60-70 house, Eir pole that currently used to run to loop the cables around the back gardens need to be replaced and home owner refusing to grant permission. so they Skipped on the next area of the town. Siro were also in the area but due to it being a 70s estate no ducts in place. so they also skipped over us. it is very annoying when your are stuck with 30mb when people 3 min walk way are on 1000mb.

    we will be added to comreg list of Urban black spots where EIR/Siro are unable to upgrade due to Neighbors being awkward or due to costs. The state will look into solution to solving our areas but this will not happen until NBI, SIRO, EIR, Virgin have completed their roll out nation wide.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3 artzer


    Speaking to the neighbour isn’t really an option at the moment — he’s quite elderly and struggles with significant mental health issues, so I’m pretty much stuck right now. To make matters worse, SIRO hasn’t responded to any of the emails I’ve sent them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 857 ✭✭✭NotShero


    SIRO doesn’t have to deal with you directly, only the providers as they are their customer. You’d have to contact the provider or maybe start the complaint process with the provider and you could get ComReg involved after 10 days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,477 ✭✭✭bladespin


    Yes, had Eircom (as they were) run cables along our roofline which tore off the facia and soffit, no repsonse from Eir as they are so had to replace, I'd say that ws significant, they've been told to remove all cabling from the property.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,680 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    I don't believe that demostrates "A way leave on his property could affect any future sale of his property."

    €25 in the small claims would have that fixed for you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,680 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    i'd recommend Starlink for you roughtly 300 MB for €50/month



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,224 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    The OP has stated that they selfhost. Starlink's carrier-grade NAT would make that unreliable or unusable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 701 ✭✭✭MakersMark


    SSorry...im not that technically savvy im afraid!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,680 ✭✭✭✭ted1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,109 ✭✭✭jos22


    I have to look in to it, in contract with Vodafone for 25euro for next 11 months,

    NBI are also having issue with permission in certain areas, going be lot of neighbors falling out over the next few years.

    Stupid part is all the roads and foots paths were dug up last year by Irish water to lay new pipes, you think the Gov would have something in place that if such works are being done in areas with no ducts that they would arrange for ducting to layed the same time as the new pipes.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,477 ✭✭✭bladespin


    How so? No-one was owning up to the cable, eircom was gone but the cabnles were there, property was damaged with no way to find out who's responsible; not sure what the €25 would have bought me, a private investihgator for 15 mins????

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,680 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    cables were either Virgin, Eir or SIRO. Would have been relative easy to figure out who did it.?


    call the companies and see who can provide an upgraded service then the small claims will cover the repair



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,477 ✭✭✭bladespin


    As already mentioned, the cables were put in by Eircom, who do you call when they no longer exist?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,443 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    I’d just respect his ‘no’.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,417 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Or maybe the neighbour has seen first hand how some installers to shoddily throw the cable in with little or no regard for the premises they're passing through.

    There is an alternative but it's expensive and that is for SIRO do a cutting outside the property on the public pavement to avoid the premises.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,680 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    Open Eir, is EirCom https://www.openeir.ie , if they damaged the cables when installed they existed and you should have raised the issue then. Otherwise if it’s been a while then it’s just happened with age



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,477 ✭✭✭bladespin


    Yep, I tried that, Eir denied all knowledge and responibility - apparently Circom was broken up not just rebranded, they weree nice but couldn't get an answer as to who should help.

    In a weird twist of fate type scenario a lorry struck the low hanging calbe and brought it down, Vodafone showed up to repair/reattach, that's when it was sorted, age is one thing but the cable ripped the facia off during the storms - wouldn't have happened if it wasn't there so I would suggest that risk could affect the value.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,680 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    so still hasn't negatively affected house price by thousands, but may have increased it. i know when i was looking last year i had zero interest in buying a house without fibre



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,710 ✭✭✭KildareP


    That's simply not a factor for a large number of people though. Imagine had quite an influx in the local village despite large parts of it being FTTH-enabled for years now. Quite a few Three outdoor 5G radios have appeared blinking away on walls over the last year as well.

    Vast majority of people don't know and don't care once it's cheap and works well enough and certainly aren't going to pay more for a house over another just to have fibre to the home.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,477 ✭✭✭bladespin


    True enough, though for a few years there I'm sure it did, cable hangers dangling with wrecked facia would hardly have added value if I'd wanted to sell, now it's going to be removed it's a happy ever after story (once they finally get round to taking it down), not sure what they're going to do about the connection but am sure they'll figure something out.

    I certainly would advise against alloging the install unless you wanted it yourself, in this case it sounds like the neighbour won't benefit so better off not, Fibre wouldn't other me either tbh, it'll be old hat before they're finished installing and we'll we Musk-abytes (sorry).

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