Israel/Palestine Thread

You have missed out on several thousand years of history if you start then. This goes back to the systematic ethnic cleansing of Jews by the Roman Empire and others

Really. Human habitation goes back around 1.5 million years in that area. It seems it's you that has missed out on hundreds and thousands of years of history by picking an arbitrary point in time and presenting that as the natural order ( which is also a trope used to justify the slaughter of a people who 100% rightly live there).

You are negating people who have lived on the land continuously both during and since this arbitrary point in time because at some point their religion changed, and instead tell us that people (many of whom are as European as you or me) are really the natives purely because they pray to a God was worshipped in that area at the time of the fecking Roman Empire.

It's mind boggling nonsense.

How far back should we go? Some say October 7th, others 2005, or 1967. It started in 1947 or was 1917? What about the crusades or the Muslim invasion in the 10th(?) Century? Should we go back to Roman times, Alexander the Great, Babylonia, Ancient Egypt?

How about everyone stops looking back to justify shite and actually try building a future. I know, I know. It's a pipe dream.

This colonial outpost isn't worth keeping...

I just find that stuff about the Roman Empire to be the biggest pile of sh*te I have ever heard. How many different populations of people have moved on from their "homeland" (which they moved to from somewhere else before) since the fecking Romans were in power? I don't hear anyone else advocating for groups - with only tenuous links via their religion - to invade countries and drive out native populations who are living there.

And this has nothing to do with Jewishness for people advocating this - if it was happening in England they wouldn't be for it. It's because Palestinians are mostly Muslim and they are bigoted against them.

I don't think you can honestly deny Gazans are the victims of a people wanting to claim their land for themselves.

But we are where we are. There are millions of Israelis and millions of Palestinians in that area now. Whether the Israelis have a "right" to be there or not, is irrelevant. It would be impossible to move either Israeli or Gazan population without tens of thousands of deaths, and I would say impossible to do it without genocide, so it can't happen.

In that regard, Israel has a right to exist, for the protection of it's people, and think the exact same of Palestinians. It may not be fair, but compromise has to be sought for the greater good. Anything else is a call for death

You could go further back, as far as 135AD when the Roman Empire enslaved the Jews and renamed judea to Syria Palestinia over the Bar Kokhba Revolt. But regardless we both agree that it started before the 7th of October massacre

Generally speaking even you have 3 major religions with holy sites in one area you're only ever going to get trouble from the hard liners, regardless of the religions involved

But talking too much about history can get you stuck there.

They might have believed they were coming home but they weren't. That wasn't their home. And the majority of people who lived there were descendants of the people who lived there thousands of years ago. The christians in the area were the descendants of early converts. The same with the muslims.

They lived there. They were born there. And suddenly a load of Europeans and Americans turn up and say they own the place? Kicking out Palestinians was just as bad as the nazi's kicking out jewish people. And it's based on the same stupid racist logic. Deciding that a particular ethnicity has the rights to a land despite the people who have been living there hundreds of years. Sorry but because of bad science and racist myths, we have more right to your home than you do.

You can read it in full here:https://archive.ph/4EQVb

False flag on the Flotilla ?

Another 22 murdered by Israel, 9 of them innocent children but i'm sure the pro-israel lads will be along any minute to expand why these children deserved to die.

If Italy send a naval ship, there's a very good possibility it's going to be made a permanent submarine.

Why are people still in gaza city ? Why haven't they moved their kids ? Are they being blocked by the IDF/Hamas?

There is a strong case now for a UN military peace enforcement and humanitarian aid force to be sent under Chapter 7. The US wont allow it though. There are strong echoes of Bosnia in 1995.

Let this war be a warning of what happens when you (both sides) elect religious nationalists.

Imagine not finding fault with the people dropping the bombs, but with the people being bombed.

I had blocked you for a reason, now I remember why….