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Israel/Palestine Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,478 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    Mad hope ye didn't miss your flights!

    Can understand why they would need stringent security to be fair (a mix of lots of enemies / lots of stuff they don't want to get out). Bad as it is, at least if they are doing it to everyone thats just the way it is.

    If Irish people are being targeted for their nationality and harassed like that, that's another thing entirely though



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,985 ✭✭✭rogber


    I'm living in the real world, unlike you, who seems to think John Lennon decides how the world is run. Next you'll be suggesting we all hold hands and sing "give peace a chance" and the war will end?

    A more detailed explanation of what the real situation looks like:



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,138 ✭✭✭Randycove


    I travelled there from Heathrow with El Al and that was pretty standard check in procedure. You had to take all of you luggage straight to the gate and check in there, after an interrogation about why you were going to Israel, how you bought your tickets, where you were going when you got there. They basically asked the same questions three or four different ways to try and trip you up. It was the same coming back as well and that was during a relatively peaceful period.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,730 ✭✭✭DayInTheBog


    You obviously don't remember Dublin airport at the height of the troubles



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 56,689 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Hypocritical from you especially when you back Israeli genocide and even come on here to deny it time after time. Have you no mirrors in your house at all? Or do you just refuse to see the irony?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,404 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Any chance you could cut n paste the article? Most of us don't sub to the IT.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 11,242 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hellrazer


    Oh believe me - it was targeted towards some nationalities for example US citizens didnt get the same treatment.

    Likewise if you had one of those Jewish head coverings on - kippah??

    I didnt miss my flight but thats because we were prepared - we went out to visit a friend who was working for Intel at the time and he had forewarned us about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    You have missed out on several thousand years of history if you start then. This goes back to the systematic ethnic cleansing of Jews by the Roman Empire and others.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bar_Kokhba_revolt

    "The revolt had catastrophic consequences for the Jewish population in Judaea, resulting in massive loss of life, widespread enslavement, and extensive forced displacement. The scale of devastation surpassed even that of the First Jewish–Roman War, leaving Judea proper in a state of desolation.[168][169][170] Shimon Applebaum estimates that about two-thirds of Judaea's Jewish population died in the revolt.[171][o] Some scholars characterize these consequences as an act of genocide.[168][173]

    Describing the devastating consequences of the revolt, several decades after its suppression, the Roman historian Cassius Dio (c. 155–235) wrote: "50 of their most important outposts and 985 of their most famous villages were razed to the ground. 580,000 men were slain in the various raids and battles, and the number of those that perished by famine, disease and fire was past finding out, Thus nearly the whole of Judaea was made desolate."

    To the Jews, they were coming home in 1948 after centuries of being sent from their land. Even that war was only the most devastating, there is a long history before that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,943 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Have you read this yet? Have you read the BBC synopsis? If not, why not?

    "A United Nations commission of inquiry says Israel has committed genocide against Palestinians in Gaza.

    A new report says there are reasonable grounds to conclude that four of the five genocidal acts defined under international law have been carried out since the start of the war with Hamas in 2023: killing members of a group, causing them serious bodily and mental harm, deliberately inflicting conditions calculated to destroy the group, and preventing births."

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8641wv0n4go



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,943 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    You seem to have time for reading thru wiki for millenia old events…………but can't spare a few minutes even for the synopsis of an event still in progress….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    That report will need more than reading the synopsis.

    I doubt anyone on here will have read beyond the friendly media headlines.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,943 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    "Settler" scum at work -

    "According to John's Gospel, Jesus went to Taybeh after raising Lazarus. Today it’s the only exclusively Christian village in Palestine, but its sixth century church and hinterland have been subject to increasing attacks by Jewish settlers; reviving the idea of a Palestinian state is a bittersweet prospect for the Greek orthodox parish priest."

    "We are surrounded with about nine Muslim villages here. But we live with them in fraternity life. We have a good relation with each other. We have no problem with them - only the settlers who are making trouble, mostly every day," said Fr David Khoury."

    https://www.rte.ie/news/middle-east/2025/0923/1534967-west-bank-israel/?fbclid=IwY2xjawM_yLxleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHm3D9YsGlvSQI8VTTUk0wH7wHuymgVU2ocMGOGvdGPdkbSEG851lq43oDfXi_aem_Gy2L7FYdFHEcA_HOOnG32Q



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 11,242 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hellrazer


    Ive read it in full - its scathing of the Israelis and their acts of Genocide.

    The recommendations which the Israelis will completely ignore are below :

    Member states are also obliged to stop the genocide.



    VIII. Recommendations
    256. The Commission recommends that the Government of Israel:
    (a) Immediately end the commission of genocide in the Gaza Strip and
    comply fully with the provisional measures of the International Court of Justice in its
    orders of 26 January, 28 March and 24 May 2024;

    (b) Immediately implement a complete permanent ceasefire in Gaza
    and end all military operations in the occupied Palestinian territory that involve
    the commission of genocidal acts;


    (c) Restore, allow and ensure unhindered access of all United Nations
    staff, including UNRWA international staff, and all international agencies
    coordinating or providing humanitarian aid in the occupied Palestinian
    territory, including East Jerusalem;


    (d) Immediately end its policy on starvation and end the distribution of
    food aid through the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation;


    (e) Ensure full, unimpeded access of humanitarian aid at scale and
    through multiple distribution points throughout the Gaza Strip, including food,
    clean water, medical equipment and medicine to all areas of Gaza through a
    UN-led humanitarian response;


    (f) Allow, facilitate and ensure unhindered medical evacuation of
    Palestinians from Gaza to third States;


    (g) Allow, facilitate and ensure the unhindered access to Gaza by
    emergency medical teams;


    (h) Allow the Commission access to Israel and the occupied Palestinian
    territory, including East Jerusalem, to continue its investigations;


    (i) Investigate and punish the commission of genocide and incitement
    to genocide against the Palestinian population in the Gaza Strip.


    257. The Commission recommends that all Member States:


    (a) Employ all means reasonably available to them to prevent the
    commission of genocide in the Gaza Strip;


    (b) Cease the transfer of arms and other equipment or items, including
    jet fuel, to the State of Israel or third States where there is reason to suspect
    their use in military operations that have involved or could involve the
    commission of genocide;


    (c) Ensure individuals and corporations in their territories and within
    their jurisdiction are not involved in the commission of genocide, aiding and
    assisting the commission of genocide or incitement to commit genocide and
    investigate and prosecute those who may be implicated in these crimes under
    international law;


    (d) Facilitate the investigations and domestic proceedings and take
    action (including imposing sanctions) against the State of Israel and against
    individuals or corporations that are involved in or facilitating the commission
    of genocide or incitement to commit genocide;


    (e) Cooperate with the investigation of the Office of the Prosecutor of
    the International Criminal Court.


    258. The Commission recommends that the Prosecutor of the International
    Criminal Court:


    (a) Examine, within its continuing investigation in the Situation in the
    State of Palestine, the crime of genocide for amendment to existing arrest
    warrants and addition to future application for arrest warrants;


    (b) Examine the involvement of officials mentioned in this report for
    inclusion as those most responsible for international crimes committed in the
    occupied Palestinian territory.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,685 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    We're getting reports on a daily basis from Red Cross, Red Crescent, MSF, UN, Journalists, Scholars of Genocidal Studies, former IDF personnel, that's before we even need to look at videos of babies being left to die in incubators, ambulance/paramedic personnel being summarily executed plus journalists being killed before our eyes.

    We can all see what's going on over there Blanch, it's called genocide.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,132 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    The US has tied itself to an out of control Israel and is burning political capital with allies and burning bridges with rivals to the detriment of its own self interest.
    Saudi Arabia has moved under the Pakistan nuclear umbrella.
    India has moved into the China/Russia orbit.
    US power is a shadow of what it was a generation ago.
    A divided, unequal society creaking under an enormous debt burden with a narcissistic, lying, low IQ simpleton as president. His UN address was arguably the most embarrassing of any US president in UN history. Where will the US be at the end of the Trump administration?

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,132 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Could you remind the room why Hezbollah were created?
    Was it perhaps in response to one of the many illegal Israeli invasions of Lebanon?

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,928 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Disturbing reports that Trump considering recognising Israeli annexation of parts of the West Bank.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,132 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Wasn’t that the agreement with Miriam Adelson?

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 723 ✭✭✭Fr D Maugire


    Amazing how you think the Jewish people have a right to a land most of them hadn't lived in for some 2000 years, but that the Irish do not have a right to what was the most Gaelic part of Ireland just over 400 years ago. Your hypocrisy is off the charts, but that ain't a surprise to anyone really.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,156 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    The UNGA special session on Palestine yesterday showed us the way forward. The US, Israel, Germany, and Italy all absented themselves because they could not handle the truth. US empire is over, becoming extinct slowly, we should put it out of its misery.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,156 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Israel planned to disrupt the UNGA special meeting on Palestine. They were going to carry out this cyber attack on US soil. Sheds light on Eurovision voting for Israel.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/un-devices-cell-network-surveillance-found-b2831950.html

    The U.S. Secret Service says it has dismantled a stockpile of devices in the New York area that were “capable of crippling telecom systems and carrying out anonymous telephonic attacks,” as world leaders arrive in the city for the U.N. General Assembly.

    The agency said it discovered the network of electronic devices that were used to “conduct multiple telecommunications-related threats directed towards senior U.S. government officials” and could send up to 30 million text messages a minute.

    They discovered the devices within 35 miles of the U.N.’s Manhttan headquarters.

    “It can’t be understated what this system is capable of doing,” said Matt McCool, the special agent in charge of the Secret Service’s New York field office. “It can take down cell towers, so then no longer can people communicate, right? .... You can’t text message, you can’t use your cell phone. And if you coupled that with some sort of other event associated with UNGA, you know, use your imagination there, it could be catastrophic to the city.”

    James A. Lewis, a cybersecurity researcher at the Center for European Policy Analysis in Washington, told the outlet that only a handful of countries, including Russia, China and Israel, could pull off such an operation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,156 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Belgium, Malta, Andorra, Monaco and Luxembourg have announced that they officially recognise the State of Palestine, joining a growing list of nations declaring recognition at an international conference in New York.

    The leaders of the five countries made the announcements during the gathering on Palestine and the two-state solution, held on the eve of the UN General Assembly.

    https://www.trtworld.com/article/0cd08b762798



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,156 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Israel is effectively using decommissioned armoured personnel carriers as suicide bombers on steroids. Civilians are being terrorised by them.

    https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israels-explosive-robots-they-turn-night-day



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,928 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    The destruction of olive groves and farms shows that Israel is trying to deprive civilians of food. Parallels with the dispossession of the Irish during the Plantations and the penal laws.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 56,689 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    I thought that would be Netanyahu's trump (no pun int) card all along. Didn't he promise a surprise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,592 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Someone is dropping chemicals from drones on the Flotilla. Wonder who that could be....

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,403 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    I remember it. There were metal detectors at the entrance. That was about it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,403 ✭✭✭✭Grayson




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