Israel/Palestine Thread

I also worry about the future when a war criminal still enjoys support in Israel. What does it say about Israeli society that they have elected this guy time and again over the last 30 years?

Nor can there be with Likud and the far right who are implacably opposed to peace- to the extent Bibi and the founder of Likud supported Hamas over the years .

There's an election next year. Things could change very quickly.

As has been pointed out numerous times, the Israeli objection to the two state solution is a very recent thing, whereas the Palestinians have rejected the 1948 borders every year since 1948, and the 1967 borders every year since 1967.

It's a little bit rich for some of the people on here to be pointing to a solution based around those 1967 borders when the biggest stumpling block has always been the Palestinians objection to those borders themselves.

It's also interesting to see how many posters scream 'Ethnic Cleansing' at Israel despite the fact that the one true ethnicially cleansed area in the region is Gaza, and that the only West Bank solution that they can dream of is an ethnically cleansed of Jews West Bank.

So now you're not in favour of elections.

How do you know what Palestininans want? Maybe some of them would love an opportunity to vote Hamas out of power. Might be the quickest way to end the war, deprive them of 'their mandate'.

He wants to set up polling booths in the middle of a war zone. He is deluded.

Israel would of course have to stop bombing Gaza for this to take place too!

I never mentioned holding an election in Gaza. Cleudo did.

I merely pointed out that in a hypothetical future election Hamas would be very likely to win because they remain popular.

The other Arab nations recognise this, and that is why they want Hamas removed from the equation before they begin to invest billions in rebuilding Gaza.

Unbelievably, some of the Arab Nations prepared to underwrite the rebuild of Gaza might want more return on their investment than another Hamas lair of underground tunnels.

What about 65,000 Palestinians dead in the last two years. In reality this is probably over 100,000. The injured count is well over 100,000. All inflicted by Israel.

What about all the settlers killed by Israel on 7 October to prevent them being kidnapped?

What about the destruction of medical facilities and dwellings by Israel?

The future will be without zionism.

Netanyahu is currently leading a minority government. He (correctly) fears that the moment he ends his 'war' in Gaza, his coalition partners will plug the plug on him and force a general election. Hence, his desperate need to keep the conflict going at all costs.

There is an election next year where Bibi could very likely win again. It's also a bit rich of you to talk about Ethnic Cleansing and other being obstacles to peace when we know Likud since its creation has opposed a two state solution and their charter calls for a greater Israel from the sea to the border of Jordan

Posters accusing of Israel of Ethnic Cleansing are correct, they have listened to Israeli leaders openly calling for Palestinians to be expelled from Gaza. They have eyes to see the Israeli Government are now creating the conditions for that to happen. Various experts from different bodies have backed their assertions up by declaring Israel is commiting Genocide in Gaza.

Hamas, on the othe hand, represents a mind-set from the middle ages, and you'd run a million miles from it.

Wow Israel sounds really great alright, nothing like from the middle ages if you are able to get passed them:

*committing genocide

*blowing up and shooting tens of thousands women and children, likely 100k people directly killed

*blockading food and aid to approx 2 million people, resulting in famine

* systematically murdering people lining up for food

*destroying all Gazan farms

* blowing up fresh water wells

*turning off systems that provide fresh water

*razing whole towns, villages, and cities in Gaza

*murdering doctors and medical workers, and destroying all means of treating wounded/ starving/ sick

* Destroying all places of worship, and targeting schools

* Blowing up and firebombing refugee villages and safe zones

* Attacking those trying to bring food and aid to starving people

* Enabling invaders to encroach on territory outside of their own for defacto annexations, murder, stealing homes, killing livestock

I dunno, Sheepy, seems pretty f*ckin mideval to me. And you are still defending it???

For all its faults, Israel is a highly functioning liberal western-style democracy that you would be quite comfortable living in.

Even if Israel is a f*ckin utopia, it is heaped on the back of all the above misery. I wouldn't for a single second be comfortable living in a country that would do this. They are making a mockery of liberal democracy by their brutality, elections or no.