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Presidential Election 2025

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,328 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    The problem with that is McDowell is not a social conservative and i dont think he is at all a religious, hes more of and i think im making this phrase up but its the best way i can describe him "a structural conservative" in that he doesn't believe we need to change anything ever because he is of the opinion that how things work currently are fine and specifically anything that might cause issues, confusion or questions in the legal systems is a bad thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,756 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    I can't find any online article backing this but I did hear on the radio this morning that there would be targeted cost of living measures introduced in the next budget. The payments won't be universal however as they were previously. I'm not suggesting you should vote for the FF or FG candidate, just that your voting decision should be an informed one

    Your method of supporting a candidate based on their past history is a good one. You're voting for somebody who has similar powers to King Charles, not somebody with Donald Trump style powers, so unlike a general election you're not voting based on promises of what a candidate might do in the future.

    Likewise I didn't agree with FF or FGs past handling of healthcare, housing or justice. Even after the errors of their ways were shown they didn't change track. This is why I feel that Jim Gavin and Heather Humphries don't deserve my votes, which realistically only leaves Catherine Connolly for me to vote for.

    My own conundrum is what order do I give my second and third preferences because unlike Maria Steen the FF or FG candidate still deserves the job more than her. Assuming those will be the 4 candidates



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 747 ✭✭✭feelings


    I'm in a similar position, I'm really left with CC as the only option. I cannot in good conscious give any preference to Gavin or Humphries.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 361 ✭✭rdser


    Same. The days of voting for FFG are gone for me, which right now leaves me with Connolly.

    At least she speaks well which is a plus for the Presidency. Gavin is not a good speaker ( based on his public interactions I've seen to date)….and I just couldn't listen to HH for the next 7 years tbphwy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,599 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    This looks to me like Drennan trying to craft a compelling narrative out of a murky situation. Why should the onus be on McDowell to facilitate Steen more than half a dozen other TDs/senators? But "Victor Boyhan the gatekeeper who can open the Aras for Maria Steen" would be up there with “Small earthquake in Chile. Not many dead” as a front page headline…



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,756 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    In a situation where Maria Steen is the 4th candidate I would feel compelled to give Jim Gavin or Heather Humphries my 2nd/3rd preference. Not sure what order though.

    If it stays as a 3 candidate race I'm just marking an X in the box beside Catherine Connolly's name



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,599 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Meath says NO to Sheridan



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,870 ✭✭✭Downlinz


    He lost Meath by 1 vote and 8 councillors didn't even bother to attend.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 711 ✭✭✭poppers


    https://x.com/Ireland_Votes/status/1970079015231971714

    Looks like its the FF/FG councillors who were not there, the have 20 between them Sf 6 a ind 11 antou 2 sd 1

    SF abstaining meant be had no chance



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,841 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    This is a useful visual:

    I wonder why Donegal didn't bother organising a vote one way or the other?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,124 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    That is the type of sectarianism that gives exclusive republicans on here their bad reputation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭harryharry25


    Pointing out that Republicans in FF won't vote for someone with strong links to a sectarian organisation is not sectarianism

    I'd like it, if you withdrew your remark accusing me of sectarianism



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,124 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    The biggest issue for CC and her supporters is the sympathy for Russia. They complain that NATO "provoked" Russia into invading Ukraine, but the big elephant in the room for that argument and the uncomfortable truth that they refuse to confront is that the likes of Poland, Latvia, Czechia, Bulgaria, Romania etc. didn't want to stay tied to the old Soviet bloc, they expressly wanted the EU and NATO.

    So even though CC and her supporters on here long for the old Soviet hegemony and dream of being under one communist world state, that issue will haunt them all the way to the election.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,870 ✭✭✭Downlinz


    She has never shown sympathy for Russia over their Ukraine invasion, she described the actions of Putin as "illegal", "horrific" and "against international law".

    If her biggest issue is made up nonsense from the FF/FG corner then she's in a great position!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭harryharry25


    Exactly it would be like saying Jim Gavins biggest issue with voters is Micheal Martin standing in a IDF uniform pointing at a hole in the ceiling, refusing to get the OTB over the line and in general doing nothing to support the people of Palestine only a few words



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,379 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    CC will be a formidable opponent in debates if the matter comes up. Heather won't be able for her knowledge and Jim will be in the say nothing bad about NATO or the US strait jacket that most defence forces people are when dealing with it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,124 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Yes she has, along with Sinn Fein, she opposed sanctions on Russia following its invasion of Crimea. Crimea was a part of the Ukraine, don't forget.

    She didn't stand up and clap Zelensky when he spoke to the Dail.

    She has an awful lot of explaining to do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,379 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Heather's party were over in Moscow looking favours from Russia after the invasion of Crimea.

    Sanctions that don't work and only hurt the innocents caught in the middle of NATO - Russia powerplays shouldn't be supported.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,124 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Well you see, that sort of Russian propaganda nonsense is exactly the reason why many of us won't vote for Connolly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,379 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    If that's gonna be Humphrey's and Gavin's response then that will be great.

    Meanwhile CC will point out that she was right not to trust the US, currently arming and supporting a genocide with NATO members sending aircraft and selling armaments to aid it too.

    Meanwhile we are used as a staging point to get the genocide materials to the users.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,124 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    You are a victim of Russian propaganda in relation to Ukraine and Crimea.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,379 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I have a mind of my own and can judge what I see.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,124 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Your idea of a "NATO-Russia powerplay" is straight out of Putin's propaganda playbook which you appear to have swallowed hook, line and sinker.

    If Ukraine hadn't been cuddling up to NATO, we wouldn't have to invade them and kill all their people and destroy their cities. It is just another version of victim-blaming.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,660 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    CC has just been on BBC radio in the north saying "Gaza is top priority for the people of Ireland". She's about to find out how true that isn't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,124 ✭✭✭✭blanch152




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,379 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Blanch, I have been watching NATO/US etc - Russia power playing and game playing for a long time before Ukraine became an issue and before Putin came along.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,092 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    If SF wasn’t supporting CC would she have less explaining to do? Remember it is not just SF that is supporting Connolly. It is the Soc Dems, Labour, Greens, PBP and SF.

    I would describe three of those parties as “safe”. With only one now being and aggressive party of protest and very anti EU - PBP. SF look like softies on the EU in comparison.

    The real question is if CC has “a lot of explaining to do” and if it is that damaging why were the inoffensive parties such as Soc Dems, and Labour so quick to support Connolly?
    You would swear the woman is Putin incarnate the way the narrative on this thread is being created now, notable increased since SF belated support for CC . As for not clapping Zelenskyy. Isn’t the narrative not for defacto Russian support.-
    But instead anti war and anti more support for what would be a continuation of war? Sanctions only hurting ordinary Russians and having no effect on Putin etc. The same line of argument Wallace and Daly have used.

    Again, if CC has that much “explaining to do” why have Labour, Soc Dems and Greens backed her enthusiastically?

    I think CC’s views on being anti war are fairly transparent, and is also what she would view as anti-imperialist.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,379 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I think CC’s views on being anti war are fairly transparent, and is also what she would view as anti-imperialist.

    Her polling shows the 'Putin supporter' muck throwing is not having any effect on her support.
    I think the public is looking at her actual record on these things not the propaganda that we see spread about her here and elsewhere.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 31,314 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Again, if CC has that much “explaining to do” why have Labour, Soc Dems and Greens backed her enthusiastically?

    A phenomenally good question

    Sanctions only hurting ordinary Russians

    I mean, good. Hopefully their entire economy goes down the toilet. At least they aren't going to bed unsure if their apartment will blow up in the middle of the night so I have zero sympathy. If sanctions didn't work Russia wouldn't be so aggressively trying to get rid of them.

    The same line of argument Wallace and Daly have used.

    Which is not a positive…

     is also what she would view as anti-imperialist.

    While I am sure she would view it that way, if she was truly anti-imperialist she would be calling for aggressively supporting Ukraine. Except she is not because in reality she is just anti-West.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,124 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    We are reaching an inflection point in the debate about Ireland's place in the world. Are we going to continue on the immature student path of naive diplomacy, a viewpoint that sees Putin as a victim of NATO imperialism? Or are we going to stand up and take a mature adult approach to our responsibilities as a nation of Europe, which stands together with our fellow members of the EU?

    Connolly doesn't believe we need an army, that is who naive her worldview is. She is only against US imperialism, but all for Chinese and Russian imperialism. A true anti-imperialist is outraged by Putin's invasion of Ukraine, trying to restore the Russian and Soviet empires, and is urging Ireland and the rest of the EU to commit military resources against the Putin imperialists.



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