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Presidential Election 2025

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,644 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Anyone finding SF's 'endorsement' of CC rather on the peculiar side? They announced it yesterday with no sign of Connolly, a photo instead of ML, MON and Doherty standing together - not even a photo or video of Connolly and Mary Lou shaking hands.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,601 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    You're struggling with this because you've been confidently assuring us for weeks SF would definitely be running their own candidate?

    I guess if they'd been looking to keep the decision under wraps until the big tad-da announcement they couldn't afford any kind of liaising with CC word of which might leak out…



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,287 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    The whole "Game changer , big time Gaelgoir" thing from MLMD earlier in the week just doesn't jibe with an endorsement of Connolly, even allowing for a bit political hyperbole.

    It definitely gives off a vibe that they had someone else planned who bailed at the last minute and left them with no alternative.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,644 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Surely a photo op or video could have been arranged at very short notice? It looked odd to see a photo of themselves only when this announcement was supposed to be all about Connolly and her presidential chances.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,287 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Better to risk a leak than the utter damp squib that was the actual announcement, surely??

    The optics of the largest party in Ireland not even managing to get their preferred candidate to phone in on zoom to their announcement is pretty awful.

    If Connolly has been the plan all along, then their PR team needs a severe beating as the "reveal" was dreadful.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 31,339 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Sure. Here she is legitimising Russia's bombing campaign in Syria - a campaign overwhelmingly focused on destroying hospitals, murdering first responders and killing as many civilians as possible. But in reality it is actually the US's fault in her mind, because that is the only prism through which she can judge anything.

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    Here she is blaming NATO for Russia's invasion of Ukraine

    “Nato has played a despicable role in moving forward to the border and engaging in warmongering. Ireland has been hypocritical on many levels.”

    Here she is saying we can not trust the UK and France (our two closest European allies)

    Ms Connolly agreed with another contributor in the debate that there are countries “we certainly cannot trust”, adding: “America is one of those and England and France are others.

    Here she is talking about her regard for Clare Daly

    "Clare Daly is a beacon of hope. The degree of venom in the media towards her is a testament to her effectiveness... [H]er honesty, her integrity... I wish there were more of her. I've no hesitation in supporting her every step of the way."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,451 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    There's no 'legitimising' there, just an explanation of the historical context. It's interesting to see the distinctly different tone in her own words vs your characterisation of her positions. IMO, she's dead right on three of those four points.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,419 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The notion that criticising NATO or the US/UK is an endorsement of Russia is old and tired now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,849 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Are sinn fein allowed donate to Connolly's campaign actually? Can parties spend their own money on non party members? Or does it then go through the personal donation limits?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 31,339 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    The "historical context" is not true - Russia's murderous behaviour in Syria had nothing whatsoever to do with the US, nevermind a legitimate fear.

    Anyway, good to see we have moved on from your claim that she has never expressed any of these views to the fact that you simply agree with them.

    Catherine Connolly has never seen a problem anywhere on the globe that she does not think is the fault of the US, the UK and our European allies. While she is obviously not always wrong, her end goal appears to be isolating us from everyone we are close to and lecturing them from some utterly delusional manufactured "high ground".



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 31,339 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    She literally laid part of the blame for the Russian invasion of Ukraine on NATO. That is parroting the lies of the Russian administration. They invaded Ukraine because they are a bloodthirsty revanchist colonial power who want to recreate the USSR. The only manner that the West contributed in was in Ukraine looking towards a brighter future there. A future that has been (hopefully temporarily) denied to them by the invasion. She literally suggested Russia got involved in a bombing campaign every bit as bad as what Israel is going in Gaza because of the US and lays the blame on them.

    Absolutely nobody has an issue with criticising the US over e.g. the invasion of Iraq. Criticism of the US is rampant and popular. It is when you have a worldview that everything is the fault somehow of the US that problems arise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,419 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    She literally laid part of the blame for the Russian invasion of Ukraine on NATO. 

    She criticised NATO's role.
    That is not endorsing a single thing Russia did.

    Can NATO be criticised Podge?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 31,339 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Fire away. Criticise them all you want.

    Do you think NATO were in any way responsible for the Russian invasion of Ukraine? I do not, but Catherine Connolly does. She is, once again, legitimising the acts of a foreign dictatorial regime by giving succour to their completely baseless and fabricated excuses for their genocidal actions.

    What do you think NATO's role in the Russian invasion of Ukraine was?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,612 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,096 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    I believe the argument is NATO antagonised Russia by cosying up the the Baltic states etc. Closer and closer to Russian borders. Also that Putin fella views NATO as a military threat. And furthermore USA went against an unwritten agreement with the USSR not to encourage further NATO expansion.

    I assume Connolly agrees with this line of thinking.?

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 31,339 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I assume she does but it is mostly nonsense. Khrushchev himself has said the supposed "guarantee" to not move NATO further east was not true. And I'm not sure abandoning the Baltic states to Russian interference and occupation would be much of a vote winner were it put in those terms.

    Ukraine was constitutionally neutral (moreso than us I might add) before Russia invaded them in 2014. It has never been about NATO and reinforcing that viewpoint is just spewing Russian, anti-Western propaganda.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,419 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


     I do not, but Catherine Connolly does.



    You have a different opinion to her. So what?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,096 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    The latter part is probably more likely true “Anti Western. The problem is thought I think assurances to the USSR was at least partly true It is easier to exaggerate a half truth into a major issue. Personally I trust neither Russia or the USA but it is no harm to be aware of their historical geopolitical motives. Connolly is hardly going to be “Pally” with Russia or the USA in my view. Which is no harm I think. It it is her views on the EU I disagree with more.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,872 ✭✭✭Downlinz




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,779 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Connolly's positions on all of the above will come back to haunt her over the next few weeks. In every interview and particularly in the debates.

    In fact I don't think she as a clue, right now, how bad it will get for her.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 31,339 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I don't trust Russia or the US either, but they are also clearly not the same (despite the current denizen of the White House trying to move it in that direction).

    And yes, on a practical front I would take issue with her view on the EU more also. It is wildly unclear just who she thinks we should have any kind of international relationship with. Mostly the answer appears to be nobody, which is simply not tenable.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 31,339 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Shame they weren't admitted really, given that Russia invaded them both afterwards. Seems like NATO membership is the only thing that stops Russian invasions.

    Ukraine was constitutionally neutral prior to their invasion by Russia. That is simply a statement of fact. That article is about Bush's view on what Ukraine should do, they had not at that point applied to anything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,096 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    If Connolly was president do you think the saying “Once bitten twice shy” might finally apply? Making her more cautious with the spotlight of office of President on her?

    God knows she has made enough of questionable decisions or at least ones that backfired.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,160 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    I see Paul Murphy is out there complaining about Ireland selling radar parts to Ukraine. Is that the sort of nonsense we will get from CC if she is elected? We need to pull together with Europe.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 31,339 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    No. She's been given the opportunity to reflect on her decision making (and everyone can make mistakes) and she maintains she has never done anything wrong. It had to be absolutely dragged out of her after 20 questions on it that meeting a sanctioned Assadist was a mistake, she still won't acknowledge that nominating GOD was a mistake and she continues to back Daly to the hilt. She is incapable of any kind of introspection it seems.

    I appreciate that some people consider the refusal to acknowledge mistakes as "principled" but I'm not one of them. I would be a lot more comfortable with her if she even made a slight movement towards acknowledging some of her questionable statements were without merit but she just refuses to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,160 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    No, her views on NATO and the EU are dangerous to Ireland's interests. It is a huge risk to let her anywhere near the Presidency.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 747 ✭✭✭feelings


    SF hadn't announced a candidate?? Their meeting was only on Saturday. That will change starting Tuesday.

    You really haven't bothered to listen to or hear anything CC has said in relation to her presidential campaign funding. She is running as an independent, not a party puppet like Gavin or Humphreys. You obviously don't know the difference.

    Michael D has the same opinion on the EU and NATO , has he weakened either?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 31,339 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    So I would rather her not represent me on the international stage.

    "you fundamentally disagree with the views of a person who wants to be Head of State" is a weird thing to dismiss so casually.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,801 ✭✭✭almostover


    I agree with a lot of what you said. And fully agree that were either neutral or we're not. And we need to grow up and recognise we've benefitted massively from EU membership and we need to be willing to defend the EU also to maintain those privileges.

    I fear CC wouldn't share that viewpoint however.

    Higgins was a good president and represented the country well. He softened on a lot of his leftist positions because he is a clever man and realised he had the country to serve as president.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,801 ✭✭✭almostover


    Her home town in an anomaly in that regard, a predominantly Protestant settlement just on this side of the border. I'd hazard a guess that many there wouldn't be opposed to the border being redrawn such that the village would lie in NI. But that is the sort of people we need to sell an UI to. And I'm sure the people in that village are keen to maintain their EU membership.



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