Israel/Palestine Thread

Nobody should have a veto in the UN and that includes USA, Russia, UK, China and France

And Pakistan has many connections with China. Ditto Iran with India. Those emerging giants are going to take a greater interest in countries beside the Indian Ocean because they are right next to them.

Really? So after being attacked from multiple directions (7-Oct-23 from Gaza and from 8-Oct-23 onwards from Lebanon) Israel didn't have a legitimate reason for all out war? I find that view quite puzzling, and I doubt it makes sense to Israelis who even before all this had to live within a 15 second run of a bomb shelter.

First of all, I never said Israel had no right to go war. If Ireland was attacked, I would expect us to respond.

But again you are putting the same inherently flawed argument forward. Israel didn't go to "war", or even all our war in Gaza, they committed, and are committing, the crime of genocide. They are systematically using their military might against civilians - there is no opposing army here. No opposing navy, no opposing air force, no opposing tanks, no opposing trained military force, no drones. There is a ragtag gang of terrorists, which Israel are framing as some omnipotent bogeyman to continue ethnically cleansing Gaza of its native people in order to take their land.

The result of this use of advanced militaty against civilians and civilians infrastructure is a whole city of 2 million people having been virtually wiped out, and Israeli politicians in highest office openly talking about settlements on the territory, real estate bonanzas etc. have you missed all this? Tens of thousands of children dead, many many more seriously injured, pregnant women left with nowhere to go, mothers with no way to feed their young.

So the war point you are trying to make is moot - Israel are attempting to destroy the Gazan way of life and take their land, not fight a war. Is genocide justified because they suffered a terrorist attack? Answer this pls.

It begs the question therefore of what Israel actually should have done to deal with Hamas (and Hezbollah) which in my view they have not just a right, but a duty to do.

First and foremost, not commit genocide against innocent civilians. That may come across as radical to you, but if you saw Gazans as being as human as say, French people or Norwegians, and deserving of the same human rights - I'm sure you probably think this is the minimum that humanity should hope for, no?

As to your analogy of Hitler getting rid of his Jewish enemies, that analogy is closer to what China is doing to its internal enemies, e.g. Falun Gong or the Tibetan Buddhists. Both Gaza, Lebanon and Yemen have/had clear borders with neighbours and Israel, and in the latter case, each of the attacks on Israel have crossed such borders.

I wouldn't know too much about Tibet. Has the UN, and almost all scholars/independent bodies/human rights groups who specialise in warcrimes and genocide labelled it as such? If so, they should feel the full severity of international law and sanction - I'm no hypocrit here.

Are you defending China's actions aswell as Israel's btw, or saying it's bad when they do it but grand when Israel do? How do you get your head around that one?

As to my anecdote about Hitler and the holocaust - that is the level of disdain I hold your question to. And I mean that, not that you care of course.

Israel are committing genocide -almost universally those who know about this things concur - and you are asking what else could they have done?

At least they have bomb shelters and aren't hindered by another nation from importing the supplies needed for this.

Also, have you ever asked yourself why they find themselves in this situation?

A former long term adviser to Netanyahu says even he is baffled by Trump's continuing support for the war criminal:

“It’s slightly baffling and counterintuitive,” Shalom Lipner, a think tank fellow who served for decades in the Prime Minister’s Office, told the Wall Street Journal.

“Netanyahu’s moves have prolonged the Gaza war, created trouble for Trump with other US allies in the region and made the expansion of the Abraham Accords excruciatingly difficult,” he added, referring to a series of normalization agreements between Israel and Muslim nations that the US brokered during Trump’s first term in office.

The World can exist without the US and Israel. International trade can exclude both of them. No visas for either of them. Both excluded from all cultural and sporting events and left to look at each other. The World standing up to aggression by either of them. Think of John Lennon's Imagine

94% were civilians

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/sep/19/civilians-made-up-15-of-every-16-people-israel-killed-in-gaza-since-march-data-suggests

A few lads here showing AGI has been achieved...

Labour has turned the UK into a police state. A real life version of Animal Farm being played out in UK politics. Netanyahu, Herzog, Smotrich, and the other Israeli terrorists roam free while Sally Rooney has been advised not to enter the UK. Human Rights solicitors interrogated and their client privacy rights trampled on.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20250919-targeted-for-defending-palestine-lawyer-fights-back-after-police-abuse-of-terror-powers/

This is an important beginning.

For the first time in the United States Senate, Democratic senators have introduced a bill urging President Trump to recognise a demilitarised Palestinian state.

The bill, led by Senator Jeff Merkley of Oregon, is non-binding and unlikely to pass due to Republican control and growing opposition to the two-state solution.

The five senators who signed the bill said the move aims to send a message ahead of the United Nations General Assembly and to increase pressure on the US administration to help Gaza.

Sadly you are right.

At least the horse let Donnie know what he thought of him unlike the supine political leaders who are desperate to stay on side with Donnie. As you point out Bibi knows there is no one to rein him in. I don't think there will be a day of reckoning for him either. As you say it's bleak times- international law is in the graveyard. Also Western governments and the EU can no longer speak of a rules based order given what they have allowed to happen in Gaza

Why are you putting the word genocide in inverted commas? Is your contempt for Arabs so much that you see fit to ignore international legal opinion and trivialise crimes against humanity?

Starry: Mahmoud Khalil is awaiting a federal court decision in New Jersey. I don’t hold out any hope. He might be heading for the Supreme Court.

They put the wrong people in the judiciary and they put the wrong people in the presidency twice. Now they are coming for talk show hosts (Stephen Colbert, Jimmy Kimmel...) who make fun of Trump. BTW, Stephen Colbert has just won an Emmy for his Late Show. There will be only one voice remaining, the bellicose brain of Trump.

‘Columbia University activist Mahmoud Khalil says safe from deportation until November’
‘Palestinian activist Mahmoud Khalil says he is safe from deportation until November as he challenges a US immigration ruling over his pro-Palestinian advocacy.’
Mohamed Elbedewy, Washington, D.C., 19 September, 2025
The New Arab Staff
https://www.newarab.com/news/mahmoud-khalil-says-safe-deportation-until-november

“[...]. an immigration judge in Louisiana had ordered Khalil deported to Algeria or alternatively Syria, citing alleged misrepresentations on his green card application.***

“Khalil, who is married to a US citizen and has a US-born son, has rejected the ruling as "retaliation" for his pro-Palestinian activism.

Starry:

*** Khalil has a green card, which means he is authorised to live and work permanently in the US. Of course there are conditions where the green card can be revoked.

Apparently, in US, you have Freedom of Speech, so long as you don’t use it. 🤬