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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,851 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Feel free to post some good he has actually done then. Or, just keep complaining that people don’t like your boy. Up to you.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 54,717 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Supreme Court ruling that racial profiling is ok.

    9 months in and the 1st and 4th amendment have been made null and void. It's actually scary how fast this is accelerating.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,366 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Wait. Trump continually claims that under Biden, the country was dead. He said in his inauguration speech in 2017 that 'the American dream is dead'.

    The cities are apparently so awash with crime and illegal immigrants that the military has to be brought in to keep the peace. The economy is so messed up that the country has had to embark on a worldwide tariff regime to try to gets it economy back on track.

    The legal system is completely dysfunctional, given that it is infiltrated by democrats who wage lawfare against anyone who they don't like. Their education system is competely overrun by left wing idealogues.

    Their primary schools are focused on making every kid change gender.

    Grocery prices are out of control. There is no universal health care.

    But I guess apart from that everything is fine!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,438 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    It's insane how an unelected council of people in black robes can arbitrarily strip people of their rights and nobody questions it.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,366 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Again, you are completely free to post any positive comments about Trump. You may well be debated on them, but that is the nature of a discussion board.

    Maybe it's his acquiescence to Putin. Or maybe it's his ongoing unquestionable support of Israel. Perhaps you can point out the positives of his recent (actually only) bill through Congress.

    What about showing us the great strides he has made in terms if reducing grocery prices?

    Obviously, you have your own list, but there are just a few ideas.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,952 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Go on so tell us how great Epstein was or how great sexual assault is. Bring that good Trump news. Cmon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,610 ✭✭✭Economics101


    Just two points: if you defame people they can sue you, unlike those under immediate threat. Also the same personal free speech principles do not (or should not) apply to businesses: they are, and should be, subject to competition law and rules on misleading product information.

    If there should be further exceptions to freedom of speech, they should be of precise and limited application. Free speech should be rule, subject to very specific exceptions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,357 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    So instead of whinging about the thread, give us something to discuss that shows Trump in a positive light.

    I have asked on several occasions over the past decade for some sort of evidence that Trump is getting things right. I started a thread about it, asking for examples, but the thread died very quickly. I and others have since asked for examples, what has he done that has had unequivocally positive results?

    The only one I can think of is that he pushed for a vaccine for Covid, and got it. Then completely messed it up by being generally negative about vaccines, abusing anyone connected with it and - because he didn't want to cover his pretty face - argue against masks. In spite of the vaccine, he managed to oversee many more deaths in the US than anywhere else.

    Other than that, I can't think of anything. Quite apart from policies, he lies as reflex, even when he doesn't have to, even when his lies make no sense at all (suppliers pay tarrifs, 300 million Americans died from drug overdoses); he is illiterate (most recent example at the state dinner in the UK), corrupt (apart from taking foreign bribes, and manipulating the stock market, the latest scam is looking for money to get into heaven!), and completely self-absorbed, he has zero interest in anything that does not directly involve and aggrandise himself (examples beyond counting).

    So, come on, stop complaining about how the discussion is only trashing Trump, give us some positives.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,716 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    You realise a substantial portion of the world including Ireland thinks Trump is a scumbag right? You've gone on rants about an anti Christian agenda but you're fanboying a rapist who also cheated on his wife a lot which doesn't feel very Christian. The reality is plenty of Trump fans either didn't have the values they claimed at the start or sold them out. Which is it for you?

    Doesn't Trump use the office of president to literally bash anyone he has a gripe with? If he can't manage a week scandal free then he is gonna get criticized. Now he's literally targeting freedom of speech and you're complaining that he's getting criticized?

    This bitching about people having zero time for a guy who is trampling on human rights on a daily basis is a weird thing to find issue with.

    Honestly the Trump fans aren't exactly coming across as the most reflective of posters.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 54,717 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    They're the the highest arbiters of the law. They shouldn't be there to to make political decisions, they are there to make decisions on complicated matters of law.

    If they are making decisions on something that quite obviously contradicts the constitution they should be removed from office for incompetence as they quite clearly can't do the job.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,434 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Its an echo chamber of hate.

    Alot of people in the media and on social media are desperately trolling for attention, and the main way to get attention is by using as much incendiary hyperbole as possible. 

    Accusing Trump and anyone who supports him of being a “Fascist".

    Such use of the term only reveals a complete ignorance of what “Fascism” really means. 

    When people keep falsely claiming that the sky is falling on a daily basis, the shock value wears off, and when it turns out the sky is not falling, people turn away.

    After Fascism, where can you go to get more shock value.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,438 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    True but that's the main consideration when Republicans appoint Supreme Court justices though. When Democrats do it, they'll want a liberal but at least it'll be someone qualified.

    The problem about determining what contradicts the constitution is that they get to interpret that as they see fit with no checks or balances of any kind.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,579 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    That would require some honesty and they are all severely lacking in that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,952 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    wheres the positivity.

    Bring the good news tell us about Trumps magnificent achievements with Epstein.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,932 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Post the positives, but be prepared to defend them. Last lads that tried ended up wanting all homeless people to be locked up indefinitely or didn't want to post further because they felt stupid (former ended up being warned multiple times for insulting people or trolling).

    I'll give you one. Despite ignoring due legal process and ignoring the impact the lack of cheap labour has on the economy, trump has managed to reduce immigration into the US.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,366 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Listen to yourself.

    That is Trump's entire sthick. Blame everyone else, claim everything is terrible, says outrageous things just to get attention, and never, ever, ever, provide any semblance of an answer to anything.

    Trump is all about attention. He must have it and if he doesn't get it he makes something up to grab the attention.

    He accuses anyone and everyone of being scumbags, traitors, hating America or being enemies of the people.

    You cant seriously post what you did above and not see that your hero is the very epitome of what you claim to dislike.

    and btw, Fascism a populist political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual, that is associated with a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, and that is characterized by severe economic and social regimentation and by forcible suppression of opposition



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,942 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    So you agree, the right to free speech is subject to limitations, and those limitations are different depending on who is speaking, and what they are speaking about.

    I agree that people should be absolutely free to express any honestly held beliefs except where those beliefs are likely to cause immediate threat to the lives or safety of others (incitement to violence)

    However, where people spread harmful disinformation that negatively effects other people, the harmed should have the right to challenge that person in the same way someone who is defamed can challenge that person in court.

    If I go on a radio show and I say "We should oppose immigration because they commit more crimes than citizens and I cite a report'. If someone on that show then checks the report and finds that the source actually says the exact opposite of what I said it did, and I accept the correction and the debate moves on, then this can be considered a good faith discussion and would be protected.

    If I go on another radio show the very next day, and make the exact same claim with the exact same source as the previous day, and this time I am not fact checked and it forms the basis of my argument, then this is proof that I am arguing in bad faith, and I would like to be able to take this person to court and have them sanctioned (same kind of penalty that someone would receive for deliberate defamation)

    In a free speech absolutism world view, this person could go on and repeat proven lies over and over again, and in doing so, poison peoples minds against an entire section of society, but because no individual was named, he cannot be sued for defamation. but the harm he is doing, is far greater than damaging the reputation of a single individual

    Ban billionaires



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,588 ✭✭✭✭fullstop


    Well if he stopped acting like a cnut for 5 minutes that might change, but that’s not gonna happen



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 54,717 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    True. The process needs to change. Originally it was about someone being chosen because of their competence being agreed by both parties but it didn't take into account the rise of a party looking selfishly at their own self interests.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,434 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Debating ?

    Have you any idea of what that is ?

    A formal discussion on a particular matter, in which opposing arguments are put forward

    A) This thread is not formal, its a hostile echo chamber.

    B) Opposing viewpoints are not tolerated or accepted. People with opposing viewpoints are attacked and abused.

    Maybe if people were formal and willing to listen to opposing viewpoints debate might be possible.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,477 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Back up what? That 90% of talk shows talking about the same thing is boring?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,952 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,650 ✭✭✭swampgas


    Prove it. Bring your opposing viewpoint, and back it up with facts. Let's see if you are losing the argument because you cannot back up your assertions or because the meanies in here are just a bunch of Trump haters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,940 ✭✭✭abff


    Still waiting for one of the Trump supporters on this thread to give an example of something positive that Trump has done. And, to be clear, I’m looking for an example of something positive that he has actually done rather than something he falsely claims to have done.

    When challenged on this issue, the only response has been to accuse everyone of TDS and of being hateful internet trolls.

    If he’s as wonderful as Trump supporters claim he is, there must be something you can point to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,566 ✭✭✭✭Jelle1880


    I don't want to make this personal but it will never not be funny that someone called MisterAnarchy with an avatar of the anarchy symbol is so beholden to a clearly fascist administration.

    Also, why is it so difficult to understand that the Trump government has all the hallmarks of a fascist administration ? There's checklists for this kind of stuff and it absolutely fits most of the hallmarks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,579 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Get a bloody grip on yourself for fuck sake.

    This is a discussion forum and this thread in particular is about Donald Trump, a man who invites negative commentary because of the things that he says and does. If there are people on here criticising Trump, it's because he has said or done something that's worthy of that criticism.

    If that's too much for your sensitivities then why the hell did you bother to reg (or re-reg) on the site.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,438 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Your claim that nothing has changed, obviously.

    I'll just this as a nothing and leave it there.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,579 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Those poling questions are farcical. There's no data of any worth to be gathered from asking people shite like that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,932 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    It is not others fault if you get constantly misled with the data points you post that causes your points to collapse quickly.

    The revised jobs data you posted springs to mind immediately.

    Given this is rarely revised upwards, trump is in a heap of cr*p with the economy. Ireland is enjoying its best ever quarters due to stupid implementation of tariffs.



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  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 44,975 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    • deploying unidentified "state police" to round up and illegally detaining US citizens and refugees without due process, and against the constitution, and shipping them to foreign countries. "disappearing" people becomes a feauture
    • exerting power through executive orders, including ending birthright citizenship in direct contravention of the constitution
    • deliberately controlling media output in return for political favours.
    • ignoring judicial decisions, court orders and the rule of law
    • deploying the military onto the streets with orders to shoot its own civilians
    • replacing disloyal civil servants with unqualified political party appointees
    • removal of the state from world global politics and pursuing an isolationist and protectionist policy
    • defunding higher education
    • destroying diversity, inclusion and equality policies for the purposes of ostracising minorities
    • whitewashing history and decrying the civil rights movement
    • rebranding of the names of longstanding geographical areas to be more in line with white nationalism.
    • suppressing dissenting voices and the ability to protest
    • outward show of military might by parade and increasing finances spent on military (13% increase to 1.01 trillion dollars in 2026)
    • and most obvious of all, synchronisation and centralisation of all government operations (achieved through DOGE)

    and many more features of Trumps government…………….. so far.



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