Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

If the ladder needs to be pulled I've no problem with it.

There was plenty on the island thought the same before you got here.

Or the ones who are low skilled, who will be a net cost to the state

Do you normally look down on people who are "low skilled"?

Without "low skilled" workers society and by extension the economy would hit a brick wall pretty quickly.

Just because someone is doing a "low skilled" job doesn't mean the value they add is any less than you or me.

being a highly skilled highly paid worker

With many leather bond books I imagine. 🙄

You are missing the point widely though, but you wouldn't be alone in having an extremely inflated sense of your own self importance at the macro level.

For instance someone who works in a crèche would add far more value to society and by an extension an economy than you or I would ever manage.

Ditto. The guy who gets up earlier than most to open up the petrol station so people can get to work.

What in the name of God are you talking about? We have had non EU workers for many decades.

What country did you come from that foreign workers didn't exist?

Over the last decade we went from "some" brazilians and indians to "so many you can't even walk the street without seeing lots of them".

Who are you quoting there?

Do you think our high levels of migration are sustainable in the long run, and do you think its have an exacerbating effect on the housing situation?

Migration levels go up and down.

As does housing stock.

Wasn't that long ago we were bull dozing housing estates.

Nearly everything is sustainable if you properly plan for it.

So you dont see the current levels of migration staying the same? You foresee a decline. When will this be and when will it happen.

You actually just agree with folks that say its not sustainable by your answer by the way :)

Given we as a nation has NOT planned for it, do you think it's currently having an exasperating effect on the housing market?

Now you are asking me to predict the future.

I asked if the current figures are sustainable… that is all.

But are you of the opinion that things will forever remain static or only increase?

No, but hope is not a strategy and given you want us to plan these things well…

They have planned for it, they need to implement the plan

Really, they planned for this level of migration? Can I see the policy document that tells us this?

The undeniable reality is for Ireland to function right now and into the future it needs immigrants.

Obviously, but the question is not that we need immigrants, its to do with the raw numbers. You know this of course because I asked you.

Hook, line, sinker..

You used the NDP plan of 2025 to 2040 as 'proof' that they are planning for the current rate of migration. But those figures are actually out of date.

The Dept of Finance has modelled that the population of Ireland will be approx 6.1-6.3 million by 2040, IF and only IF the net migration figures are between 35,000 and 40,000 a year.

https://www.gov.ie/en/department-of-finance/press-releases/minister-donohoe-publishes-report-on-irelands-demographic-outlook-for-next-40-years/

In the analysis’ medium scenario, where net migration shifts from c.40,000 to c.35,000 per annum over the next forty years, Ireland’s population would reach 6.77 million people in 2065,

Current net migration is approx 80,000 per year.

We now know they are not planning for this high rate of immigration, given you linked us the NDP plan that does not account for this high rate.

So, let me go back to the very beginning.

Do you think the current levels of immigration are sustainable?

You used the NDP plan of 2025 to 2040 as 'proof' that they are planning for the current rate of migration. But those figures are actually out of date

Yip. That is why I stated plans get revised.

That is a revision and a live document.

• Contingency Planning - Departments should prepare contingency plans for a high-case migration scenario to avoid potential infrastructure bottlenecks constraining growth. These plans should include details on when to activate specific actions to respond to higher levels of net migration and boost infrastructure capacity.

Hook, line, sinker..

Are you okay? 😏

OK, so they dont currently have a plan for the high rate of net migration. The plans they have are out of date.

So, I'll ask again.

Do you think the current high levels of migration is sustainable?

OK, so they dont currently have a plan for the high rate of net migration.

Migration figures are not static. We have been over this.

In the last available data it has fallen.

The CSO estimates that 125,300 people immigrated into Ireland in the 12-months to April 2025, which is a 16% decrease from the same period in 2024. There was a fall in emigration numbers for the first time since 2020 with 65,600 people departing from the State in the 12 months to April 2025. This represents a decrease of 6.2% compared with the same period in 2024. This led to a net migration (immigration minus emigration) in the year to April 2025 of 59,700, a 25% decrease in net migration from the previous year. There was also a natural increase of 18,600 people in the state, comprised of 54,400 births and 35,800 deaths.

It's the reason why there is different scenarios and contingencies to deal with fluctuations.

Do you think the current high levels of migration is sustainable?

I have already answered that.

Migration figures are not static. We have been over this.

Yes, that is why I say current.

In the last available data it has fallen.

Yes, down from a high 80,000 to 60,000.

That is still 50% higher than what the Dept of Finance predict.

So again, given this level of CURRENT immigration, do you think it's sustainable?

The predictions are over the next 15 years.

And we have been above the predicted number for the past 5 years.

The DOF will have to come back and adjust their predictions again.

Cool, some penpusher will up the figures, and that will magically create new homes… South Park level of logic there.

Given this level of Current immigration, do you think it's sustainable?

I am back to work teaching full time after Covid and 2 back to back maternity leaves.

All I can say is what an absolute shoite show our Education system has become. The needs in the system are basically off the scale. From what I see Irish children with needs are being left behind because they are way down the pecking order.

But but but Diversity and embracing the 55 cultures being put in front of you. Let's all sing Kumbaya and everything will be grand (not).

Ireland is changing far too fast and it is not able to cope with what is happening, especially in the last 2-3 years.

I also don't understand where all these new cultures are living when a lot of my family and friends can't get private rental property for love nor money. Emmmmm.