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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,116 ✭✭✭Cordell


    A sample size of 385 is statistical relevant for an unlimited population size - so it clearly proves everything it needs to be proven.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,551 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    What is the alternative?

    Sinn Fein who would be worse or a few small left and right parties who would be worse again.

    Who do you recommend we vote in to fix the country?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 383 ✭✭rdser


    More importantly...wasn't questioned on it. The Irish media are just appalling and that newstalk breakfast show is one of the worst. Their interviews of ministers etc are little more than a free PR piece. If they were in print, they would be at tabloid level



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,854 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    This is the bit I take real issue with, there’s absolutely no critical analysis or holding to account on anything, serious abrogation of responsibility by the media

    But then get anyone in front Kieran Cuddihy that doesn’t conform to his utterly establishment government beliefs and he gets borderline aggressive, berating and badgering them - that’s fine as a style if he’d actually apply it across the board. Total establishment shill that lad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,854 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    Absolutely of the most aggravating aspects of Martin

    Emblematic of a generation that had easy access to large amounts of credit, relative ease in securing a property compared with today and little to no aspect of competition from the outside world.
    He’s now the owner of numerous properties and a millionaire by virtue of that - similar to very many people across the country that bought their house for a song 30 years ago and it’s now worth several multiples of what they paid for it.

    These are people that are totally and utterly insulated from any actual effects of our spiralling population. So not only do they get the benefit of having their now grossly appreciated assets, they also get the benefit of acting pious as can be - they get to lecture the misguided younger people who will never have the same opportunities to be a homeowner that their frustrations are not valid and are largely borne out of ignorance and racism, nothing more.

    We’ve seen this total “I’m alright Jack” attitude evidenced in this very thread before.
    Swap Micheál’s numerous properties with a 35 year old postgraduate forced to live in a mouldy house share at eye watering rents despite a good job or even better stuck in their childhood bedroom, and see does he still think everything is brilliant. It’s a scene that’s become sadly all too common in this country, not to mention the demographic effects which are already being seen - people unable to start families with their partners because suitable accommodation cannot be secured in the current market.

    He’s a total finger wagging Muinteoir, fool of a man.



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  • Posts: 3,065 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Not a question in the wide earthly world. As if the housing crisis had nothing to do with demographics. Awful stuff.

    Ciara Kelly is not a journalist really, she got a platform on Operation Transformation and built on that, I'd see her as more of a 'personality' than a journalist. But the failure to raise the issue of immigration when the leader of the country mentions the population soaring and a housing crisis enduring is a really gutless cop out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,732 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Newstalk don't ask hard questions of the establishment parties/politicians. Maybe Pat Kenny - sometimes - but he seems to be getting ready for retirement.

    You'd really miss Vincent Browne nowadays. All that's left is "personalities" and wannabe future political advisors/staffers (assuming they're not already married into or related to a political dynasty as is).



  • Posts: 3,065 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The media has declined over the last 15 years, huge redundancies, stagnant pay, it’s a really demoralised sector. Anyone working in it will tell you that.

    But the remedy of using a mini celebrity like Ciara Kelly, who never worked as a conventional journalist is not the right one.

    Letting the Taoiseach discuss the housing crisis without insisting he address the admittedly awkward subject of immigration is a serious cop out.

    Part of the role of the media is to hold those in power to account. A good, experienced journalist, with confidence in her own abilities, wouldn’t opt out of asking an important but awkward question.

    To be fair to them expert economists like McWilliams and Lucey have pointed out the problems, but some elements of the press haven’t the balls to deal with the issue.

    Society is declining because of the decline of proper media outlets.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,218 ✭✭✭jackboy


    It was a fake interview. He would have got the questions in advance and she would have been given a list of what she was not allowed to ask about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 383 ✭✭rdser


    Tbh Coleman is way worse than Ciara Kelly IMHO. He has head so far up the governments ass it's nauseating. He just loves himself.

    The format of that show is appalling though with their stupid polls and surveys about chocolate and whats your favourite song to sing in the shower. ...it got us thinking.. we want to hear from listeners. Appalling stuff. Even the business guy is terrible between 6.30 and 7 and Shane Beatty too.

    Theres harder hitting news on Virgin medias morning show with Tommy bowe and co...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,598 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Brazilian woman moves to Ireland to learn English, has a kid here n now receives her forever home off the taxpayer.

    How in the name of jaysus can English language students end up getting social housing? Why is she not back in Brazil. So on top of housing Ukrainians n asylum seekers we're now housing language students.

    https://archive.ph/UZAcf


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 383 ✭✭rdser


    Ah the Irish media love an ol' good news tale about the trials and tribulations and ultimate success of a migrant to Ireland.

    Ah bless! ( no tough questions now..)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,854 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    ”Shur didn’t the Irish go to a continent sized country during the famine nearly 200 years ago? We’re obliged to take anyone from several continent sized countries forever now”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,116 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Between Brazilians getting social housing and landlords renting one house to 18 Indians for 9k per month no wonder a normal family can't afford to live here anymore.

    And at this point everyone should know that these language schools are visa for cash fronts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,958 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Why is she not back in Brazil.

    Because her child is probably Irish.

    Should he deported as well?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,116 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Yeah they're called anchor babies for this reason, if that's really the case.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,733 ✭✭✭crusd


    You are aware that at the time of the UK administrations attempted genocide through a manufactured famine the country was producing an excess of food aren't you?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,958 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    If his father is Irish he is not an anchor baby.

    Do you think we should deport Irish Citizens, or just the mother and take the child into state care?



  • Posts: 3,065 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I think you are seeing a hardening of attitudes around housing and it's understandable.

    The reality is that many people who have worked for years can't afford a house of their own, either to rent or buy. At the same time people who haven't contributed nearly as much and have taken far more in benefits, are getting almost free houses.

    It's a serious anomaly.

    The State is still acting as if people who are working are fine in terms of housing, while those not working need help. That's out of date now, people who work and contribute are very likely to be unable to buy or rent a house.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,958 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    The State is still acting as if people who are working are fine in terms of housing, while those not working need help.

    What in the name of Jesus are you talking about?

    I know several people who were lucky enough to obtain social housing and they all work.

    What an absolute bonkers thing to say.

    The lady in the article worked 2 jobs whilst doing a Masters.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,116 ✭✭✭Cordell


    No, what I think is that she and every other language school student shouldn't be here in the first place.

    And the child, if they have Irish citizenship, IS an anchor baby for her. Maybe not the kind of anchor baby pregnant chancers made before the referendum (or maybe yes, we don't really know), but still an anchor baby for herself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,473 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    This is what we mean by supply and demand. Your policies will dictate demand and cause an increase in supply.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,958 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    No, what I think is that she and every other language school student shouldn't be here in the first place.

    So no language students full stop?

    Presumably you would extend that to the Irish students going abroad to learn a language? Correct?

    And the child, if they have Irish citizenship, IS an anchor baby for her. Maybe not the kind of anchor baby pregnant chancers made before the referendum (or maybe yes, we don't really know), but still an anchor baby for herself.

    Again, it's not my opinion, you need to look up what an anchor baby is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,116 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Yes, no English schools for foreign non EU students full stop. English can be learned everywhere now. What other countries do it's their business but here we need to stop, it's already too late.

    If the child is the main obstacle for her deportation then the child is an anchor.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,958 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    She was studying a masters, So no Irish students going abroad full stop unless to the EU.

    Can't see that being a runner to be honest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,116 ✭✭✭Cordell


    If she was indeed studying for a master's degree, which is very expensive for non-EU students, she should not have been provided accommodation by the state.

    I doubt that Irish students have anchor babies to obtain the right to remain in Brazil or India.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,958 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Again, you have just redefined what an actual anchor baby is. It's just getting weird at this stage.

    She was studying for a masters 5 years ago and then had a child. She only recently got housed by a charity.

    It's almost like someone's circumstances can change. Mind blown.

    I thought the patriots wanted Ireland for the Irish?

    Or is that only a certain type of Irish?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,116 ✭✭✭Cordell


    It may blow your mind this, but I'm an immigrant myself. I'm not speaking from a position of nationalism hate or whatever you are projecting, but just simple pragmatism - we can't afford to subsidy non EU foreigners here anymore. Everything we do for them comes at a cost for the people already living here, Irish or not.

    BTW, is my English good enough? I didn't learn it here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,958 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    It may blow your mind this, but I'm an immigrant myself.

    Can't pull the ladder up fast enough. It's actually more common than you think.

    we can't afford to subsidy non EU foreigners here anymore.

    But we can afford to subsidy EU foreigners?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,598 ✭✭✭enricoh


    To no one's surprise the Indo journalist didn't delve into that. Pretty sure we had a referendum on anchor babies in 2004, a tough time for the refugee industry but it's been all gravy for them since covid



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