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Would you visit USA in the current climate?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,069 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    And how credible is this administration after Signalgate, January 6th, the claim nothing happened with all the women who have accused Trump or for that matter Pete Hegseth, the controversy over Sergio Gor's possible ties to Russia etc.

    Very welcome remarks by Prince Charles at the banquet with Trump on Ukraine, about standing up to tyranny.

    Michael Wolff, on Newsnight, saying it was a "very major rebuke" of Trump. Penny Mordaunt disputing it was meant this way.



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    Once again, how does any of that affect an Irish person's ability to enjoy a holiday in the US?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,069 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    They are benchmarks by which we can judge his administrations truthfulness in other statements, including on ICE.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I've no idea what point you are trying to make.

    How does what Trump says or does affect an Irish person's enjoyment of America.

    If an Irish visitor is against the religious right, doesn't like gun culture and is sympathetic to the LGBT community, all things you mentioned, there is a whole lot of America that they can go to and enjoy themselves in.

    This thread is like the EV threads over on Motors.

    People who don't own EVs telling everyone how much hassle they are to own.

    People who have never been to the US telling everyone how awful a place it is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,580 ✭✭✭daithi7


    Except, it's not is it!?

    As explained, I have been to the US. Also I've spent a year of my life there previously. The country is not the country it was previously at all imho. America is broken, and fighting with itself, amongst itself, destructing it's own democratic structures & institutions, and with American's well known propensity for anger & violence that's all not a good mix.

    America now reminds me of the movie Crash, which itself was a commentary on the implosion of American society and it's decay. America is now that car crash, hence I've no desire to visit there & experience that in person....



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    But it's big enough a country and diverse enough a country that you can't say that it's like this that or the other, because what happens in Massachusetts can be very different from what happens in Alabama.

    And for the Irish visitor they're not really going to encounter anything, (for the use of a better word) "weird" unless they go looking for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,069 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    It now has net emigration probably for the first time since the 1930s. Immigration by Americans to Ireland grew to 9600, with 6300 returning. A net inward migration of Americans.

    Also in the UK, applications from Americans for UK citizenship are up 40% according to Newsnight.

    The Kimmel and Colbert firings are an example of creeping autocracy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,402 ✭✭✭✭The Nal




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,706 ✭✭✭yagan


    There's been loads of posts by people here who actually experienced the USA as residents yet you assert the negatives are only been voiced by people who've never been.

    Have you lived in the USA, or is your attachment purely a projection?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,528 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    When I was over there a few months back, I saw a house with a big Trump flag outside.

    Trump 2024. F*ck Your Feelings.

    I think that sums up the whole MAGA movement quite well.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,682 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    The thread title specifies 'the current climate' which obviously refers to Trump's second term. As someone who hasn't been to the USA in over fifty years it was other things that kept me from re-visiting. Mostly it was the potential cost of injury or getting sick while there but also I'd been there, had a couple of bad experiences and developed a mild aversion to its popular culture which was lamentably spreading.

    I've met many Americans I like on a personal level and it undoubtedly has beautiful scenery in places. I just prefer to stay in Europe especially as I get older.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,282 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    It is the worst in the world.

    Clearly you don't have the slightest clue what you are talking about.

    The US might suit you actually, it has truly awful healthcare unless you're well insured or very rich.

    You're losing your mind over five people thanking a post. Ffs

    Oh and apparently we have the worst justice system in the world too. Worse than the countries with actual gulags, where political opponents fall out of windows, where the police kill with impunity, where people disappear into a prison system and are never seen again. Yeah, worse than them. 🙄

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,408 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    WRT the internet, I was referring to the borders/customs checks now checking peoples social media for stuff that could be considered anti Trump.



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    And has there been any verified accounts of that actually happening?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,408 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    The only one I know of is the french academic.

    I googled it and apparently a band were stopped too.

    https://immpolicytracking.org/policies/reported-french-scientist-denied-entry-after-phone-search-revealed-messages-critical-of-trump/

    The thing is, i don't think that they want to refuse entry to people at the border. I think they want to scare people who might go to the US at some time so they start self censoring. So they'll make a few examples.



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    Homeland security have said that the French scientist was denied entry because he had classified information from Los Alamos on a device.

    I read the article from The Guardian about the band and it seems they had the wrong visa in the first place and they are only speculating about the anti Trump stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,732 ✭✭✭brokenbad


    Have been to the US twice in the last 3 years.

    Visited NYC, LA and San Francisco - had a great time while there with the family and we visited all the main tourist attractions.

    Don't give a shlt about Trump or his politics.

    Yes - the US is expensive, but Ireland is almost on par with hotel, food and drink prices.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,877 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    Lie to yourselves all you like about your great holidays in the states. Visiting the USA as a tourist while Trump is president is financially supporting his regime. It's an action that has a negative impact on the world.

    Sure, your family's holiday spending constitutes a tiny percentage of the $181 billion the US took in from foreign visitors in 2024 but it's not zero.

    In addition to the financial aspect, every visitor that holidays in the US helps normalise this evil regime's actions and give the false impression that "life goes on". It may for now, maybe it'll continue to do so for a long time yet if you're a rich, white, male that identfies as Christian and is too cowardly to lend your voice to speak out about Trump's crimes. If you're a woman, a person of colour, LGBTQ, a Muslim or simply too poor to have good health insurance, your life may not go on, or it may go down a very dark path very quickly in President Trump's (dis)United States of America.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 149 ✭✭Ceathran


    "it has truly awful healthcare unless you're well insured or very rich."

    So exactly like here then.

    "You're losing your mind over five people thanking a post."

    I'm not. In a "country" in which 99% of people have the exact same views on everything, it is to be expected. It's just that it reminded me that I forgot to mention the huge problem of groupthink.

    "and apparently we have the worst justice system in the world too."

    Correct. Here huge numbers of criminals are free to terrorise people knowing that they will never be sent to prison.

    Post edited by Ceathran on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,288 ✭✭✭kabakuyu


    Regime me hole,like it or not,Trump is a democratically elected head of state,time to grow up and stop obsessing about Trump and the US.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 149 ✭✭Ceathran


    I believe the previous regime was evil and was pleased to visit Trump Tower when I was in New York. I had a great chat with a security guard there. Modern Ireland is obsessed with Donald Trump. There's so much to see and do in the US. It's ana amazing country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 149 ✭✭Ceathran


    A question for those who refuse to go to the US because of Donald Trump and think it is outrageous that the US don't want people in the country who hate the President of the country: Have you been to Thailand? If not, would you go there? In Thailand it is illegal to insult the King and people have been arrested and sent to jail for criticising the King or the royal family. There is widespread censorship online too. It's also not a good idea to write a bad review of a hotel there: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/29/american-wesley-barnes-faces-prison-thailand-bad-hotel-review. They have very strict defamation laws there. So obviously those who wouldn't go to the US because of what they call the current climate wouldn't go to Thailand either because of the current climate, if they're being consistent. Am I right?

    I've been to Thailand a few times and loved it there. I didn't think about the King at all when I was there, just like I didn't think about Donald Trump when I was in the US.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,706 ✭✭✭yagan


    Well feel free to start a thread about reason not to go Thailand.

    I'd also cite the open in your face sex trade which is technically illegal there, but isn't in practice.

    I wouldn't go back to Thailand, and I'm not going back to the land of the Pedo President.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,402 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


     Visiting the USA as a tourist while Trump is president is financially supporting his regime.

    Posted on a forum that uses American servers and software, using an American phone or an American computer, on an American web browser using an American keyboard and mouse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,706 ✭✭✭yagan


    Of the physical items how many are actually made in the USA?

    Apple moved the "assembled in China" from clearly on the back to written on the inside frame that can only be seen when you remove the sim tray.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 149 ✭✭Ceathran


    That's not a bad idea actually. It would make for an interesting comparison.

    Thanks for answering and at least you're being consistent. I suspect my question will be ignored by most. I also suspect that the same people who refuse to to the US would go to Thailand in a heartbeat if offered a free holiday to the country. Especially when it starts getting very cold and they find themselves freezing and looking outside at grey clouds and rain. And they wouldn't mind the current climate in Thailand because Donald Trump isn't there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,402 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Who cares?

    Billions in taxes paid into the fed reserve between these tech companies every year. If these righteous objectors were serious about not supporting Trumps "regime" we wouldnt hear about them.

    Trump isnt going to miss a few tourists bud lights and in and out burgers. He'd much rather have the tax money from Nvidia.

    People on Facebook and Twitter grandstanding about not going to America because it'll support Trump. Height of silliness. Just cant help themselves.

    "Cyclops! If anyone asks you who blinded you, tell them it was Odysseus, sacker of cities, son of Laertes, from Ithaca!”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,937 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    Sorry but despite all the negativity and bad press the healthcare in Ireland is very high. Now I'm not saying it's without problem, waiting lists etc but the care is good.

    I've had two family members, both on medical cards receive cancer treatment in last two years and both were seen quickly and cases resolved with radiotheraphy urgently and made full recoveries and excellent after care.


    Also you don't have to be very rich to afford private insurance. It's completely different to the USA.



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    Well thank God for that.

    I'm delighted they are made in that bastion of democracy and torch bearer of progressive society The People's Republic of China, rather than that evil regime American.



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