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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 31,438 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    It’s important as always to stress that you don’t even need to like Jimmy Kimmel (I personally find his brand of comedy barely tolerable) to be troubled by this.

    It’s interesting to see which sides of the conservative sphere actually object to this kind of thing. I abhor Tucker Carlson and many of his horrendous beliefs, not to mention his pathetic attempts to interfere in the election here in Ireland by big upping McGregor. But I see he’s openly calling out the authoritarian turn of the Trump government’s post-Kirk speech crackdown, which at least suggests an adherence to some stated principles. Meanwhile, many of the other right-wing commentators are taking this moment to openly gloat and push for more of a crackdown.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,438 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    They spent years whining about how they're just moderates, about how they have genuine concerns and how they don't want to be labelled as Nazis. It was pretty obvious what ideology they were supporting. All that's changed is that they've dropped the pretence. A few years ago, someone tried to do the both sides thing with World War 2 ffs.

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    There's a reason mainstream American conservatives want to end free speech. Unless you're in the top 1%, conservatism is just chains for the working and middle classes. It's about a law that restricts but does not protect.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,357 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    Where do you get the idea that the Brits love him? Granted, the vast majority have their own problems to deal with and don't have much of an opinion either way, but there have been loud protests at him being there, and considerable mockery of him. The only people that want him, and they are inadvisadly using him to keep the US on side for trade and security, is the government, I think they are on their own there. The king certainly does not want him but he does as he is told, and puts on the best face he can.

    If Trump had any sensitivity at all he would see that he is being plámásed and mocked. The dinner menu gave not a flicker of a nod towards his eating preferences, not even steak, usually an effort would be made for a guest, even if it did not go as far as burgers and ketchup. The icecream dessert - Biden's favourite - might have been coincidence. It was also written in French with no translation. His unpopularity is recognised by all events being behind a steel fence. The king's speech got numerous digs in about climate and Ukraine, none of which Trump noticed. There was an immaculate, over the top, turn-out of ceremonial military in stark contrast to his birthday parade. British royals are viciously polite and can outdo oriental inscrutablility any time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 356 ✭✭somenergy


    I was being sarcastic, shielding a felon who is killing off free speech by using the death of kirk its a full on MAGA authoritarian take over of the US

    The presser will be very tame questions screened I see Glen MTG boyfriend is inc

    No free speech or epstein files questions sure



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,367 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    The danger in that is that it gives Trump's strategists time and space to push more of their agenda on the U.S with no comment being allowed on it. How long would it take for the American public to get up off their sofas should they even cotton on to the fact that they're being re-programmed by programme 2025?

    It might actually serve us better if we follow the examples shown in England and Scotland to Trump here more visibly so he doesn't manage to supplant our natural ability to call out a conman on his tricks before his Millers get a toe-hold here.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,992 ✭✭✭✭briany


    The cancellation of late-night chat shows =/= no comment being allowed. There's still plenty of anti-Trump comment around with podcasts and CNN and MSNBC and so forth. Maybe this will also decline, though, as Trump continues to consolidate power, but until then, the widespread cancellation of Trump-critical late-night talk shows could have more utility than detriment in the sense that it's a cultural flashpoint that really wakes Trump opponents up. There needs to be a grassroots fightback.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,811 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    If it wasnt made people would complain - I think it’s a pure public service and it makes a massive statement to everyone in the UK at least - it’s not about watching it all - it’s the timing; it’s the fact there are so many lies; it remains with you- that’s powerful



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,254 ✭✭✭dogbert27


    Kimmel wasn't cancelled out of any sort of morality by the Nexstar.

    They did it out of fear and greed. They want their merger with Tegna to go ahead and the only way that can happen is with Trump's FCC approval so Kimmel is the pound of flesh they have to pay.

    Trump really sees himself as some mafia godfather and all these private corporations has to pay tributes to him and give him what he wants first in order to get what they want in the private sector.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,857 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    I do remember Mr Vance saying he was worried about free speech in Europe on in February.

    I hope that fat face doesn’t show up for quite a while.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,953 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Its likely to make all executives worry about platforming anything negative for fear The Eye of Trump turns to them for cancelling.

    Trump has discovered he now controls cancel culture yet his cultists think its "protecting free speech"



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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 4,121 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Trump says he'll designate Antifa a terrorist organisation. He says he will also go after the people who fund them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,409 ✭✭✭Stallingrad


    Potentially the most sinister move yet. Antifa it's not a structured organisation, it's a movement. So let's say you join in march that authorities feel as an Antifa element. You risk being arrested as a terrorist. What has happened to this country?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,953 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    You must worship dear leader is what happened.

    Thank fùck the MAGA gobshittery never caught on here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,992 ✭✭✭✭briany


    "yet" being the key word. Like everything else he's done and will do, it will be effectively normalised in short order and 'the line' will move a few feet forward. Rinse and repeat. The frog is dead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,390 ✭✭✭golfball37


    Kimmel is entitled to his opinion and should not be cancelled for it. Associating the Kirk killer with MAGA was lying/spreading misinformation in the aftermath of a murder however
    That should have consequences no matter who or what side does it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,248 ✭✭✭✭2smiggy


    hopefully he sees the same end as the majority of 'godfathers', and very soon. Same for the rest of his family and extended associates.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,432 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    As I said before , for them it's not about Right vs Left or Right Vs Wrong.

    It's THEM vs. US and as long as it's their "enemies" getting attacked or silenced they are perfectly happy and will tie themselves up in knots to justify and excuse it.

    And by the time they find that they've become one of the "THEM" it'll be too late.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,953 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    This was all already shown with Musk's saving of twitter and turning it into an ideal of "Free Speech"



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,432 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    As was claiming he was "Radical Far Left"..

    Within minutes of Kirk being shot the MAGA-verse were out in force blaming Democrats and the "Far Left" and declaring "war" etc. etc.

    At this point , we still don't know a whole lot about the motives in the case or IF/WHY/HOW the guy was "radicalised" but that hasn't stopped MAGA doing their thing.

    There is no question that Trump and MAGA are using the horrible incident of Kirk being killed as an excuse to metastasize their war on those they perceive to be their enemies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,650 ✭✭✭swampgas


    I have similar reservations about Have I Got News For You on the BBC. If you're laughing at terrible news, rather than being angry at it, it seems to me that it's a sign of powerlessness and apathy. Laughter is the coping mechanism we use for the inevitable, not for the fixable.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,716 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    The sole reason the network took action was because of threats from Trump. They didn't think he said anything hugely controversial. And given the little information they've provided to indicate he's far left, a lot more clarity is needed before we can accept Trump's narrative as fact.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,366 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Did he say that? I didn't hear him saying that.

    "We hit some new lows over the weekend with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterise this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to score political points from it."

    That is a fact. First, they claimed he was a left-wing lunatic, then it morphed into the idea that, despite him being from a MAGA family and gun-loving, the left-wing college had brainwashed him. The point Kimmel was making was that they were all in on blaming the left rather than waiting to find out the real reasons or even understand his motivations.

    And that is not the reason he has been cancelled. He made fun of Trump. He showed the clip where Trump is asked how he is dealing with the death of his friend, and he answered that he was doing fine, but look at all those trucks building my new ballroom. It was a clear insight into the lack of empathy Trump has.

    And that is why Kimmel is being cancelled. For making Trump look bad. For showing Trump as the truly horrible, self-centred person that he is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,606 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    It's funny, I was chatting to a Saudi guy about 3 years ago outside of his family run corner store here in the states. We were in a mild political discussion and he said to me , " honestly for ordinary people what is the difference in 'freedom' between America and other places" and the best I could come up with on the spot was "well look, I can openly criticize and even mock President Biden and absolutely nothing will happen to me, he might not like people doing that but there's nothing he can do about it, that's freedom" .

    Now that this is no longer true , I don't honestly know what the difference is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,933 ✭✭✭threeball


    Starmer has been the greatest joke of a PM in living memory and I include the head of lettuce in that. At least she had some convictions. This lad is such a fawning, pandering lickspittle that its now crystal clear that the UK is virtually no more important in world affairs than we are.

    Still hasn't put it up to the Israelis, spends his time kissing Trumps arse and has done little to nothing for Ukraine. All whilst keeping the illusion going that the UK can survive and thrive outside Europe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,367 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Totally on the political front if the people in the GOP (not the MAGA Washington carpetbaggers - they'll follow suit when they see the tide has turned) see and understand that Trump's law is also cancelling their right to speak and revolt enough for him to be swallowed up by it and left hung out to dry. They'll need a lot of lawyers on both sides in congress to vote out Trump's laws and lock Miller up in an asylum for the criminally insane for the rest of his days. Put Trump in an Old Folks Home and let him understand what RFK was doing to the healthcare system.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 470 ✭✭Iecrawfc


    Even if the democrats were to get the chance to get in next they're too spineless to truly actually go after anyone. It'll be a rerun of Bidens presidency where they'll tie things up in legalities until the next wannabe republican gets in and its open country again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,933 ✭✭✭threeball


    Even that was a well cultivated illusion. The US was no more tolerant of government criticism than any European country, or Canada, Australia, Korea, Japan or many other countries round the world. And probably less so, as any online criticism was almost certainly being monitored and you had been flagged.

    The only thing that the US version of "free speech" allowed was the unchallenged dissemination of lies, slander and character assassinations, that would not be allowed anywhere else. This wasn't a good thing, as can be seen by the explosion of nutjobs spreading bile in the advent of social media. The screwballs found other screwballs and created communities that would propagate lies that were protected by the constitution. There was no benefit to this form of free speech.

    The US constitution has been found to be unfit for purpose. After their inevitable civil war ends (hopefully they don't drag the rest of us in to it), the constitution needs to be ripped up and redrawn. The presidency doesn't work, the checks and balances don't work, the right to bear arms doesn't work, the supreme court doesn't work and unfettered free speech doesn't work. America as an idea, worked, when everyone was on a similar page trying to achieve similar things. Once the extremists went on their own path, its fall was inevitable. Its just taken 50years for it to happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,580 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Unfortunately, though, due to the complete ineffectiveness of the American news media in countering Trump's daily load of gibberish, these late night talk shows are the only ones who are seemingly capable of doing that job.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,580 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    And where are all the "free speech" dickheads on this site who've time and time again have come on to whinge about how the tHe lEfT are cancelling everyone they don't like.

    Oh that's right…bloody nowhere.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,466 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Saw it said perfectly somewhere yesterday about Joe Rogan, and how 'anti-establishment' he is, just like he tells his friends; the head of the FBI, the world's richest man, and the President.

    I'm sure Rogan will talk about Kimmel, say "I don't think that's good", and then pull up an AI video of AOC murdering Abraham Lincoln while insisting it's real.



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