Israel/Palestine Thread

A flotilla is merely a small fleet of ships or boats. There doesn't need to be any military presence at all.

Yet another load of bollocks from an Israeli supporter to try and derail the point of the thread.

I don't really understand what you are getting at. Are you saying Ireland are at war?

The last flotilla got stopped by the IDF and this one is likely to be stopped also unless there is military protection. To the question of whether or not we should send the Irish navy in I was giving an honest opinion.

We might as well be

The last flotilla got stopped by the IDF and this one is likely to be stopped also unless there is military protection. To the question of whether or not we should send the Irish navy in I was giving an honest opinion.

Are you insane? Sending any military vessels along with them is a recipe for disaster, for everybody involved.

Of course this flotilla will be turned around. The idea is to keep in people's minds in the west that Israel are refusing to let food into Gaza and to let Gazans know that the world hasn't completely abandoned them. There's no question that the boats will be turned back. But sending Irish military vessels into the area is a ridiculous thought that will only inflame everything much worse than it already is.

We might as well be

We aren't at war with anyone. We are opposed to Israel's genocidal campaign in Palestine. That is not war.

Israel is most likely to attack civilians hence the need to protect the flotilla from the genocidal ethnic-cleansing Israel. This is not going to war, it is protecting activists who are brave enough to challenge the genocide.

Theres zero point warning Israel NOT to attack the flotilla, if you do nothing about it when they do. Empty words. That's all we have got for 2 years now as children are slaughtered.

IId love to see those 16 countries who have warned the Israelis all to send one or two of their navy ships alongside them to deliver the aid, and if they get attacked, fire back!

Israel needs to have repercussions for its actions, as its had none for too long.

The only limits that we have seen are if the US says NO. With the US now doing summary executions of people in boats in Venezuelan waters, they are going down the Israeli force is the only law route. Back to the Wild West, where the gunman ruled. Western countries need to show their military strength and engage in warfare if necessary.

What is playing out now would be the equivalent of everyone watching Hitler conquer Europe and committing a holocaust against Jews while western leaders sought photo opportunities with him.

Extract below from an article on Palestine Chronicle

https://www.palestinechronicle.com/the-unga-declaration-on-palestinian-statehood-as-performative-theater-at-best/

If this international community was truly concerned about a just peace and really implementing a two-state solution, the formula is very simple: a full international economic embargo on Israel, followed by military intervention if they still fail to comply. It suffices to say, this isn’t even on the cards. Why? Because these resolutions are performative, meant only to benefit those morally bankrupt political forces behind writing them.

They know they're taking a risk. Everyone on those boats will have been made aware of what the are potentially facing. But you add military vehicles into that mix and something kicks off, then you have a much, MUCH, worse situation happening.

How do you explain the hundreds of children killed by Israeli snipers in Gaza? Were they thinking about Hamas when they were shot in the head?

Excellent video from the Guardian, but profoundly depressing to watch. The reporter spent three days in Tel Aviv but could scarcely find a single person who was prepared to admit concern for the civilians in Gaza - a mixture of some who are in total denial about the genocide but many others who seemingly strongly approve of the killings ("there are no innocents in Gaza").

That's bizarre tbh.

Who are we at war with? Who are our allies?

A neutral country is absolutely able to argue for international law, provide aid, and be involved in peacekeeping missions.

Israel are breaking international law, are using weapons of mass warfare on civilians and blockading food, clean water and medicine to approx 2 million people, whilst invading and annexing territory in a further enclave. It is bombing countries without merit, and completely flouting international law.

If we condemn this, it doesn't mean we are at war. War is being militarily involved or supporting a belligerent militarily. Who are we supporting with our words and actions?

Israel has not allowed any independent observers in to Gaza and has gone out of their way to kill those documenting the conflict.
Who do you expect to give you a breakdown of those murdered by Israel?