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Milk Price III

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,641 Mod ✭✭✭✭K.G.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,236 ✭✭✭straight


    Shareholders. And who lines their own pocket from the Co-Op. Have you not witnessed waste in how Co-Ops are run.... Dairygold would be a fine example imo for one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,403 ✭✭✭ginger22


    The thing is there is only the one pot of money to go around. The management are under pressure to be seen to pay a good price per litre and balance The books and pay salaries and bonuses. Fat and protein tests are an easy target. The farmer may not get any extra money at the end of the day but the real price might be known. 47 cents instead of the headline 50 cents



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 267 ✭✭yewdairy


    Any milk supplier in the country can get spilt sampling done with IFA through a independent lab if they think they are being defrauded on milk test . The steps of how to go about it are on IFA website.

    Its bananas to think the coops would engage in a multiple million euro fraud rather than simply cut the base price to balance the books. Cutting the milk price hasn't bothered them before



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,641 Mod ✭✭✭✭K.G.


    So it really makes zero difference to the price .its possible sources of waste and inefficiency s we should be targeting and if they were improved then you would get more for your milk



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,981 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    not as far fetched as you think ….Ive no doubt milk test results and parameters within tests can and are altered ….few weeks back load of suppliers in my coop were getting really low lactose tests ….4.3/4.4 …no way it was accurate …..good few calls to milk advisor and hey presto lactose jumped straight back to where they should be ….fluctuations in milk fats is also very common with unexplained swings in results ….i looked for a lab who do my milk recording to test a sample from my tank ….refused as request had to come thru coop 😉😉…requesting split sample through coop is waste of time



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,539 ✭✭✭awaywithyou


    Well if you want to talk about inefficiencies look at the number of coops we have in munster... tis ridiculous… tirlan have the whole of leinster and Waterford.. aurivo in Connacht and Donegal... in munster we have multiple plants working flat out for a couple weeks and tipping away for the rest of the year... then in kerry we have listowel which is closed for 6 months...



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,641 Mod ✭✭✭✭K.G.


    Amalgamation s don't seem to improve things either though.i sorry but are u dvocating for winter milk or something



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 4,724 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    Anyone going into winter milk would certainly be bucking the trend - articles below from the IFJ this week.

    836 producers left winter milk in the last 10 years with 118 leaving this year.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,236 ✭✭✭straight


    I wouldn't trust my "Co-Op" as far as I could throw them. Milk recorder won't take a sample from the milk tank. Never pushed them to do so.

    Milk recording results are always higher.

    Another Co-Op around here don't have a lab of their own to test their milk so the use the dairygold lab. Their results are higher in Co-Op reports but they pay a flat price.

    We had two farms with one supplier number before. Each tank had to be collected on alternate days to make it work. The milk statement read identical milk constituents on both farms.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,462 ✭✭✭Castlekeeper


    That tells its own story.

    The first thing Kerry did when they took over Golden Vale was end the independent milk testing by SWS, forefficiency purposes of course.

    Apparantly fat and protein levels did not improve following the change...

    “We are all capable of believing things which we know to be untrue, and then, when we are finally proved wrong, impudently twisting the facts so as to show that we were right. Intellectually, it is possible to carry on this process for an indefinite time: the only check on it is that sooner or later a false belief bumps up against solid reality.” George Orwell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,236 ✭✭✭straight




  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 4,724 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    Interesting point re milk recording results versus co-op results.

    (I did a milk recording last week so it's in my head!)

    You'd probably want to compare them over a few years to see if there's always/sometimes/rarely a difference. But the evidence would there then either way for all to see.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,322 ✭✭✭atlantic mist


    the kit used to test all samples can have a variance of 0.1, i looked into buying one a few years ago, so 3.4 protein could be 3.5 or 3.3….over a 10/15 year avg my butterfat/protein would be up or down by .1 each year but even out

    my independent milk recording results are 0.4 lower for butterfat than coop milk test for past year, the agitating function doesn't seem to be working on my milk recording set up (drips into sample jar), independent testers explained how important even agitating a tank before collection can be



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,236 ✭✭✭straight


    Fat is higher in evening milkings too I'm told.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,348 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Most milk recording samples are from one milking only. The bulk tank sample is normally from 4 milkings, so can't be used to compare



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,403 ✭✭✭ginger22


    Well shure Kerry and Munster milk recording are all the one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,462 ✭✭✭Castlekeeper


    If you wish to quote my comment, you could at least address me directly rather than going for the (ill-judged) behind the back snigger to the lads.

    Given your misinterpretation, I suggest you get your bloods checked as you seem unable to absorb irony...

    “We are all capable of believing things which we know to be untrue, and then, when we are finally proved wrong, impudently twisting the facts so as to show that we were right. Intellectually, it is possible to carry on this process for an indefinite time: the only check on it is that sooner or later a false belief bumps up against solid reality.” George Orwell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,236 ✭✭✭straight




  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 4,724 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    Tirlan paid 48.58c for June milk.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,348 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Lakelands Dropped 1 cpl. To 48.25cpl



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,981 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    Arrabawn/tipp milk price held at 48.89’inc vat and sustainability …..sort of hard to hold after a few cuts last few months …..we’ve also gone down the road of quoting the average price paid to suppliers to try and jizz the whole thing up …..don’t know why coops quote that as that price is reflective of farmers affords on breeding and management …..with markets stable enough now hopefully prices hold for foreseeable



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,348 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Lakelands drop by 1cpl



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,403 ✭✭✭ginger22


    Kerry drop 1.5 cpl to 47.53



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,348 ✭✭✭✭whelan2




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,403 ✭✭✭ginger22


    No explanation. I suppose they are short of money. Must pay Kerry Group.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,085 ✭✭✭green daries




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32 captain hadley


    Dairygold down 3 to 45 shower of cu××ts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,462 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    That's a savage drop markets are dropping but I was thinking a one cent drop per month to December and maybe it would stabilise at 40 cent for the spring



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,646 ✭✭✭Wildsurfer


    There will be war in Dairygold over that



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