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Charlie Kirk.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,348 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Another angle that Kirk's killing which we all expected but now have irrefutable proof is how Conservative demands to not politicise events in the wake of school shootings is pure and utter BS. Time and time again they shut down queries about introducing gun control with the argument that the event should not be politicised and that we should wait to know more of the facts.

    Here, immediately, like his body was still warm, they were calling for action and pointing all their fingers in the direction of their opponents.

    The behaviour out of the administration and the conservative news talk circuit has been unhinged this past week. From Trump immediately blaming the Left, the Governor of Utah saying he wished it was a foreigner, Greg Gutfield saying Melissa Hortman being murdered was less significant than Kirk because no one knew of her, Pete Hegseth directing the military top brass to root out service members who commented negatively about Kirks death even as he and other Republicans say that they will continue Kirks fight for free speech the insistence from many of them that the conservative not be blamed for violent rhetoric despite the words of even their President. You'd kinda rub your eyes watching it all and wonder how can they be expecting us to believe this. But many more than do, and that's the scariest thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,408 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Yeah. The first amendment only says that you can't be arrested for your speech (excluding certain situations like screaming fire in a crowded theatre).

    It never says that someone has to give you a platform wherever you want. And a university being a private place, can ban anyone they want from the grounds.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,071 ✭✭✭crusd


    They they they they they….

    Nutcases dont just adhere to one single ideology. The one thing all perpetrators of extreme political violence in the recent past have is that the appear to have been lone nutcases.

    If you wish to start a dick waving contest on which side has committed the most violent acts aimed at political opponent by all means start, but I can tell you the result wont match the narrative you a trying to push



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,376 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The overwhelming majority of political violence comes from the far right:

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    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,575 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,672 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    We have moved on from Rock N'Roll.

    Unfortunately we will probably never know the true intentions of the shooter, especially considering Trump controls the FBI and the only narrative that suits is he was a radical leftist murderous trans advocate.

    Video games are not to blame here, but the peer group and culture by people who play them probably are a factor or to be specific the one this guy was a member of.

    The idea that Kirk was killed because the shooter whipped himself into a frenzy over time to the point he snapped is not backed up by any evidence. Some anecdote that he may or may not have mentioned over dinner once doesn't lend itself to that theory.

    Kirk was killed for a few of reasons IMO, he was seen as a bit of a meme, was a known on social media, but probably more than that he was easily accessible to the shooter.

    The shooter like many of them were after fame and cred among peers.

    That's why you get the juvenile messages on the bullet casings, "If you can read this you ware Gay, LMAO". He knew well that would be found and read out on national media.

    The reality is we are not dealing with a frenzied genius here, evidenced by the fact he nearly killed himself getting off the roof, where is was still able to limp away unabated.

    He fully expected to survive, so he could probably become some sort of catch phrase in his online community.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,707 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    I’m afraid you are misinterpreting a few things here.

    A public university’s governing body indeed has the right to choose to not give a platform to someone they don’t like. They do not, however, have the right to prohibit access or speech by anyone because they don’t like what they say. Indeed, if university resources are permitted for use by some speakers, then they must be available for use by all speakers, whether the university board likes them or not.

    Public universities are a government institution, thus are subject to the First Amendment. As mentioned, the rules are a bit different for private universities.

    https://www.aclu.org/documents/speech-campus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 296 ✭✭Toranaga


    Halo is about the Americans saving the world from an alien invasion.

    The Elites are literal aliens.

    Am I radicalised?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,325 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    So yes, he was a crappy husband but that doesn't negate the immense work he did for civil rights.

    If he were around in today's morality, with the METwo movement, it would be a near certainty, given his notorious womanising, that women would have come forward with reports of how MLK sexually harassed them. He cheated on his wife at least 40 times, and these are just the reported ones..

    Oh, and the report of him witnessing and laughing about a rape was from an FBI memo that was found a number of years ago. A tad bit more than just gossip.

    Kirk never cheated on his wife, so perhaps he is the better man in that context?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,632 ✭✭✭ilkhanid


    Crappy husband? Well, there goes Trump (and JFK). I don't think MAGA have any problem with Trumps adultery and lechery. Kirk may not have cheated on his wife, but being a buddy of Agent Orange, he certainly didn't have a problem with Trump's penchant for sex assault, which makes him the worst of hypocrites. I notice one never hears any MAGA using the Cyrus excuse for MLK-the imperfect vessel who's Gods conduit for a greater purpose.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,533 ✭✭✭scottser


    Universities are not 'government institutions', they are private buildings that are owned by public bodies. They retain full right to refuse admission.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,657 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    There's no recording or transcript to back that note up. Historians have said it has credibility issues. On top of that, it wouldn't have barn entirely plausible that the FBI made false claims or accusations against people they were targeting and there's no question they were targeting MLK. The fact that they never publicly stated the claim would me inclined to say they had zero proof to the claim. If they had proof, it would have been a huge blow to MLK.

    So no Mark, an FBI memo isn't automatically credible and the fact you think it is isn't a great sign for you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,901 ✭✭✭McFly85


    Watched a bit of the Cambridge debates, awful stuff altogether. He speaks quickly but without much substance. He has no reasoned argument about life beginning at conception apart from the fact that he believes it to be true, so what’s the point of even having a discussion with him about it?

    Speaking with the professor about Russia/Ukraine really shows how out of his depth he was though, and clearly demonstrates that his arguments are bad faith.

    He complains that Zelensky is a corrupt dictator that is using the war to hold on to power, and is countered by the well-known fact that Ukraine’s constitution does not allow for elections in wartime. His response is that he should ignore the constitution and do it anyway(as he’s the president, he can “do what he wants”, not dictatorial at all!). Kirk didn’t revise his argument based on the information he was provided, he just tried to quickly spout more nonsense. I couldn’t take anything at all he said seriously.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,707 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    They are. That's why they are Public Universities in the first place. The Bill of Rights applies only to government bodies, not private parties.

    If you disagree with this interpretation of public universities being considered a government body subject to the First Amendment, take it up with the ACLU (linked above), excerpt below, or the various courts over the decades which have held them as such.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,325 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    It was not I would used those words, "Crappy Husband"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,325 ✭✭✭✭markodaly




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,325 ✭✭✭✭markodaly




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,672 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    TBF his target audience checked out of reality a long time ago, so things like facts wouldn't be a concern.

    This would be my favourite piece of his Merch.

    https://thecharliekirkshowstore.com/collections/new/products/gods-grace-tee-1

    I'm shocked it's still in stock.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,657 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    If there's no proof then yes, it's gossip. If an FBI memo says something that is gossip or rumor, do you think it is no longer so? Your digging a hole... You went down the road of likening him to Bill Cosby and such but still you've got nothing credible to back it up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,589 ✭✭✭standardg60


    Of course the obvious answer to he's the president, he can do what he wants, is why do you think you can tell him what to do then ie. call an election?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,042 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    I loved the bit where Kirk asked "didn't churchill hold an election during the war?"

    He didn't

    There was none held during World War 1 either if anybody was interested in knowing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,588 ✭✭✭Bigmac1euro


    I can fix your post for you.

    “we’ll never know the shooters real intentions because if it’s left leaning that makes me look bad and I can’t swallow the fact that all the evidence is pointing this direction, it’s deffo an inside government coverup”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,672 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Why would a murder in a different country make you or me look bad?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,588 ✭✭✭Bigmac1euro


    it’s not about you or me looking bad—it’s about you dodging the facts. Robinson’s leftist motives are clear from his note, messages, and bullet engravings. No need for a conspiracy when the evidence is staring us in the face



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,533 ✭✭✭scottser


    Your post refers to what is said on campus, mine simply pointed out that not every body is allowed on campus in the first place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,602 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    I haven`t seen anything from his family other than his grandmother who said his family were all Trump supporters and she didn`t know a single one that was a Democrat. Nor from his friends either, other than one who withdrew his statement of Robinson being left leaning politically. I have not seen anything from this note or from his social media messages.

    It appears from your posts that you have seen all of these, so why not share them with the rest of us ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,078 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    The murder of this man is leading to some very scary stuff in the US.

    Trumps government are now trying to make it an offence to criticise. Just think of that. Vance wants people to report any comments they dont agree with online to the posters employers. To get them sacked.

    A high up US military captain has been sacked too because he said something negative about Kirk.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,575 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,672 ✭✭✭✭Boggles




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,291 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo




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