Manchester United Thread 25/26 - Teamtalk/Transfers/Gossip Mod Note in OP 26.09.24

It has to be financial implications guiding INEOS' thinking on retaining Amorim at this point. There is no other reason for it. The team's confidence must be on the floor and his statements in the media are always baffling.

This zealot approach to a system which doesn't work is lunacy and, to me at least, it seems INEOS can't afford to get rid of him. The lack of imagination when it comes to tactics is horrendous, his substitutions never change anything tactically.

It used to be a case at United the 'Fergie Factor' meant players in the team performed beyond their ability, that players under SAF gained greater confidence and some opposition teams arguably crumbled or lost confidence. Now the opposite is true.

There's a lot of posts saying how people wanted it to work under Amorim, which I find strange. I don't think upon his appointment anybody wanted him to fail, I certainly didn't. The fact of the matter is he is failing and there's not much to go on to say things will improve.

My read of what was happening with ETH was that you had a forward unit including full backs pushing right up the pitch but in that unit you had a number of players who had simply no care for possession (rashford/garnacho), we got turned over and were left exposed to counters and those breakaway goals with the pull backs. I think those tactics would work better with players like Mbeumo and Cunha and Mount in the wide areas who won't give it away so cheaply and be more productive.

So, you play 433 with our current players, you're attacking with width but instead of Dorgu attacking the box and ballooning it into the stand, it's Cunha on the ball. And instead of low confidence Hojlund in the box getting no ball from garnacho, you have Cunha supplying Sesko, with Bruno in the no.10……it all sounds so simple LOL……

Does anyone know if Amorim was asked to explain his Maguire for Yoro sub yesterday? What is this thing with him taking off defenders? He has made at least one defensive change in every game this season. I just find it baffling.

I thought overall we had been showing some signs of progress. But yesterday was horrific. A manager who is as tactically stubborn as Amorim is will not get anywhere. You have to be able to adapt, to mix it up, to try something else. It's a basic requirement of any coach.

I think Eddie Howe would sort this team out. He has Newcastle set up well, he puts players in the right positions, and he makes sure he has leaders he can depend on. He won't leave Newcastle now of course, but the Isak thing may have unsettled him and maybe he'll be tempted when the season is over, unless we're relegated. Because it's a matter of time now for Amorim, I can't see how he can turn this around.

On the Maguire for Yoro sub, I presume it was because they were 0-2 down and Maguire is a greater goal threat.

It was interesting though that Maguire was called upon before Zirkzee was…..

Will Lammens start the next game ? You'd have to hope he will.

Yes, but on a more positive note, we don't have that whole hassle of playing League Cup or Champions League this week.

Plenty of time for training and perfecting the system of playing.

As much as I love Bruno, turning down that £100m in the summer has been our downfall. That money could have brought in 2 midfielders to play the exact roles needed rather than square-pegs all round.

Very frustrating that the only change he'll make in the system is to drop the main striker (from a team that isn't scoring) and playing Mount instead.

Even with a midfield three, Casemiro is not going to be able to play more than a supporting role at his age. Ugarte is limited. Squad player at best. Mainoo is just 20. Most Premier League teams will think they can get at a midfield comprised from those players, no matter if its in a 2 or a 3. That said, what else can be done other than try it while we limp on to January?Hopefully INEOS are prioritising central midfield signings over everything else. Whoever is managing the team by then, in whatever system, they will need better midfield options.

Sorry to break your heart....

Amorim, at least, advocated he turn it down. Club told him they wanted him to stay.

We should seriously look at getting an offer for him in January, and trying to fund a couple of purchases - cause I can't see Bruno enjoying his time right now, or us being anywhere close to competing in the next 24 months.

Amorim saying to the press he wants to keep him and he is great doesn't mean he really wanted him to stay id say he would have gladly taken the money and an upgrade in midfield.

I've a feeling we were very certain he would go and based our transfer business around it and Bruno changed his mind.

Being a world cup year it's not unreasonable for a player to be under pressure to stay playing at the highest level I also read some reports Cas turned down a Saudi offer because it was a world cup year.

Hopefully they both manage to get to the final and the Saudis take them off us next year

Portugese manager is not going to get rid of or drop a Portugese Captain.