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Israel/Palestine Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    It is really quite scary to see the extent of the support for the Iranian regime on these pages.

    This is a regime that has consistently oppressed its own people since 1979.

    This is a regime that has promoted instability in the region, destabilising Lebanon, Gaza, Syria and Yemen through its support of terrorists.

    Yet, the hatred of Israel is so deep-rooted that posters are aligning themselves with Iran.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,478 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    Its v frustrating but I don't even expect answers from this crowd anymore. It just shows up their narrative as horses*it when they are unable to engage with simple questions and logic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,048 ✭✭✭circadian




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,478 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    You are a fantasist.

    I would say there isn't a poster on this thread who is unable or unwilling to criticize Iran for it's many crimes - yet you say people support them, whilst saying you don't support the actions of the IDF (Id say your tongue has split your cheek open at this stage eh).

    The couple of headbangers I have seen supportive of Hamas atrocities in this thread have been questioned by the people you say support Iran (much the same way you are questioned), and not the pro IDF crowd, which is extremely curious.

    Imo that is clearly because you want to paint normal good people who are opposed to this dirty conflict as extremists, whilst refusing to engage with that tiny minority who actually hold those extreme views. Why you do that, I will never understand.

    But we all see that you are manufacting a point of view of the other side of the argument in an attempt to make yourself look good. It doesn't work in here.

    The only people excusing and condoning warcrimes are you and your buddies. My question I have directly asked you roughly 40 times in this thread still goes unanswered, despite all the bombings, shootings, and mass starvation of civilians - a mountain of murdered children does not move you to condemn the perpetrators. Why?

    Do you ever question why you support a narrative that is unable to counter or has no answers to logical questions, and that has to resort to slander, lies or running away in the face of them?

    We all know why that is btw - bigotry is a feeling, a non factual belief, that defies logic - and it is impossible to give an answer without lifting your mask and exposing it.

    Run away again good lad

    Post edited by Miniegg on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,798 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    Point to specific examples of where people have done this, this does not mean your interpretation of what people are saying either.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,798 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    Make a change from being accused of supporting Hamas I guess.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,078 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    You really let yourself down with these baseless posts. Because you continually were proved wrong time and time again on this thread, you now lash out with spurious posts before running away and refusing to answer questions. Credibility at an all time low. Arrogance is preventing you from admitting your mistakes.

    I'd ask for proof but I know I'd be wasting my time.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,404 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    It is really quite scary to see the extent of the support for the Iranian regime on these pages.

    Why is it that the supporters of Israel always have to resort to lies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,594 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 954 ✭✭✭greyday




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭walus


    This analysis of the current regime in Iran is extremely superficial and biased. It fails to consider the deeper historical context. In 1953, the United States and the United Kingdom orchestrated a regime change to protect their oil interests in the region. The new Shah of Iran then consolidated power, establishing a police state that oppressed citizens and silenced opposition. His secret police, SAVAK, became notorious for censorship, surveillance, and torture — all carried out with significant U.S. support and funding, while ensuring cheap and secure oil supplies to the West.

    It was precisely these 26 years of authoritarian rule that fostered such deep resentment toward America among many Iranians. This oppressive background directly fueled the 1979 Iranian Revolution. Ignoring this context when assessing the present situation is not only incomplete but also deeply misleading.

    ”Where’s the revolution? Come on, people you’re letting me down!”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,154 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    You’d think the Yanks had something to apologize for. Rubio groveled to Netanyahu who then bragged he’d hit Hamas in any country. America has one relationship it values these days and it’s certainly not with Britain or Canada.

    Post edited by Ardillaun on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 315 ✭✭SnazzyPig


    Spanish PM calls for Israel to be barred from international sport

    Good to see.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,154 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Yes, I should have added it’s from the WSJ which follows a strongly pro-Israel line. The truth will eventually emerge, possibly when it no longer matters. If the strike had been successful it’s hard to imagine Trump not claiming involvement whatever the facts.



  • Site Banned Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭political analyst


    The Shah wasn't new in 1953 - he had succeeded his dad just over a decade before. Due to Mossadegh's plan to nationalise the British oil company there, there was a fear that the Soviets would get their hands on Iran's oil.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 845 ✭✭✭Fuascailteoir


    The potential that Mossadegh offered to the country was brutally crushed by the Americans and the British. Wide ranging social and economic development that reformed the country in a short period of time was replaced by a violent puppet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,798 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    The poster didn't say the Shah was new in 1953, they said the new Shah.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Wouldn't it be great to test that in a New York city court :)

    Maybe after Israel drops a bomb in self-defence on the residence that the UN Palestine permanent delegation live in?

    Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has not ruled out further strikes on Hamas leaders following last week's attack in Qatar, saying they would not have immunity "wherever they are".

    Speaking at a press conference in Jerusalem with US Secretary of State Marco Rubio, Netanyahu said every country had the right "to defend itself beyond its borders".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Trump and US knew before missiles were launched at Doha (Middle East Mnitor). This removes the US as a negotiator in international conflicts.

    “Trump knew about the strike before the missiles were launched … (and) didn’t say no,” a senior Israeli official claimed.Another said the US was informed at the political level “well in advance” and “if Trump had wanted to stop it, he could have.”

    The officials insisted missiles had not yet been fired during the Trump-Netanyahu conversation and claimed Israel would have canceled the strike if Trump had objected.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,154 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Netanyahu: “America has no better ally than Israel”.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,154 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Netanyahu’s officials are brazenly undercutting Trump’s claims of ignorance here. Some ally.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,497 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    And it seems most Arab nations are absolutely fuming at the attack on Qatar. This was seen as a neutral country and an honest broker with no 'skin in the game' regarding Israel.



  • Site Banned Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭political analyst


    If a mayor of NYC ordered the NYPD to arrest Netanyahu then the NYPD would be duty bound to disobey that order. Even Macron said that, if Netanyahu's plane was to land in France, sovereign immunity there would override the ICC arrest warrant.



  • Site Banned Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Walus mentioned "the new Shah" after saying that, in 1953, the US and the UK orchestrated regime change in Iran. So my point still stands.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,645 ✭✭✭dePeatrick


    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20250915-for-first-time-netanyahu-acknowledges-israels-slide-into-isolation/


    ...

    For first time, Netanyahu acknowledges Israel’s slide into isolation

    ”We are entering a kind of isolation, and we will have to increasingly adjust to an economy with characteristics of self-sufficiency,” Army Radio quoted Netanyahu as saying at a Finance Ministry conference.

    The admission marks a sharp departure from the government’s repeated denials of growing diplomatic estrangement despite months of warnings.”



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 13,455 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Seems significant?

    GCC to Activate Joint Defense Mechanism After Doha Attack



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Dr. Hussam Abu Safiya is still being tortured for providing medical treatment to Palestinians. Israel is medieval, there must be caves on some remote island for them..

    A Palestinian lawyer confirmed yesterday that Dr. Hussam Abu Safiya, the director of Kamal Adwan Hospital in Gaza, was subjected to torture and brutal abuse in Israeli prisons, Anadolu reported.

    Abu Safiya was detained in December after occupation forces stormed Kamal Adwan Hospital, removing him at gunpoint following the destruction of the hospital.

    Palestinian lawyer Ghaid Qassem from Nazareth was able to visit Abu Safiya last Thursday, a statement released by the Prisoners’ Media Office said.

    The Gaza doctor has been detained for over 70 days in Ofer Prison, west of Ramallah, she added.

    Quoting Abu Safiya, Qassem stated that “from the moment of his arrest, he was transferred to the notorious Sde Teiman detention centre, where he was held in solitary confinement for 14 days.”

    Regarding his interrogation, Qassem revealed that “the longest session lasted for 13 consecutive days, with each session ranging from 8 to 10 hours.”

    She emphsised that throughout his detention, Abu Safiya was “subjected to continuous and extremely brutal mistreatment, torture, and abuse.”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,078 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    As most of us already know…

    Israel continues to commit genocide in Gaza - UN independent commission

    Israel committing genocide in Gaza - UN commission

    An independent UN commission has concluded that Israel has committed and continues to commit genocide against Palestinians in Gaza.

    A new report from the International Commission of Inquiry, set up by the UN's Human Rights Council to investigate alleged violations of international humanitarian and human rights law, found Israeli authorities and security forces committed four of the five genocidal acts as defined by the 1948 Genocide Convention.

    Those included: killing; causing serious bodily or mental harm; deliberately inflicting conditions of life calculated to bring about the destruction of the Palestinians in whole or in part; and imposing measures intended to prevent births, according to the report.

    The report concluded that statements by Israeli civilian and military authorities and the "pattern of conduct" of Israeli security forces indicated that "genocidal acts" were committed with "intent to destroy" Palestinians in Gaza as a group.

    "The Commission finds that Israel is responsible for the commission of genocide in Gaza," said Navi Pillay, a former UN human rights chief, now Chair of the Commission.

    "It is clear that there is an intent to destroy the Palestinians in Gaza through acts that meet the criteria set forth in the Genocide Convention.

    ============

    I said it last week too - Israel are clearly targeting the next generation of Gazans. They have always targeted the children.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 135 ✭✭purplesnack


    https://www.rte.ie/news/middle-east/2025/0916/1533696-un-commission-gaza/

    An independent UN commission also reports that israel is committing genocide in Gaza. How many more confirmations do israeli apologists need before they will concede that a genocide is taking place right in front of the eyes of the world.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,497 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Donald Trump could announce from the White House this evening that Israel is committing genocide and the regime and its psychopathic fanboys would deny it and call him a liar. We don't need to hear anything from them.



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