Charlie Kirk.

Care to provide a source where they said he was radicalised to the left? The room mate being trans isn't confirmed and it still doesn't indicate much. Nick Fuentes and Co also hated Kirk so it's not uniquely left wing. The writings on the bullets also seemed to have more to do with gaming culture btw.At this point in time, there's no strong indication that he's left wing and the fact that neither Trump or the GOP have been pushing that claim since Thursday says a lot.

"In an interview with the Wall Street Journal published on Saturday, Utah’s governor, Spencer Cox, said: “It’s very clear to us and to investigators that this was a person who was deeply indoctrinated with leftist ideology.” Cox cited the findings of the ongoing investigation into Robinson and his possible motive but did not provide any further details about how officials arrived at that conclusion."

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/13/charlie-kirk-killing-alleged-shooter-motivation

The caveat I used in my post was "if its true" I don't know if its true but I didn't raise the issue I'm responding to a post.

So according to Robinsons family he was radicalised to the left he hated Charlie Kirk lived with a trans roommate, wrote catch fascist on one of his bullets. That evidence (if it proves to be true) would suggest he opposed Kirk not from the far right but from the left.

The shooters family have said so, link?

The reaction from the rights to Kirks murder was to hold vigils and pray - despite one protester crashing one vigil shouting "**** Charlie Kirk" as the Vigil marched peacefully down the street, he managed to walk away relatively unscathed with a police escort.

You seem perturbed that somebody chose to demonstrate one of the constitutionally protected rights that Charlie Kirk worked so diligently to protect?
I don't agree with screaming hate at a vigil.
But, Charlie supported free speech for all didn't he?

You are quoting Christian Nationilsm twice in this thread to create a narrative that it is the cause of this assassination, that Christian nationalism is somehownow an existential threat. The Tates are Muslim as far as I'm aware.

You then quote an article on Christian fascist propaganda for what purpose are you quoting this what exactly is the narrative you are trying to create here?

I am outlining the research into how Social Media algorithms push extreme content onto users who begin with relatively benign searches.
Was there evidence to support Social Media pushing Gabor Mate or Tony Robbins?
I'd have presented it,have you read such evidence?
I'd be happy to read it if you have?

As for Christian Nationalism and it's danger to the States in particular as a driver of right wing militia activity has long been recognised as the biggest home grown threat in USA.
It has been recognised as the biggest home grown threat to US security across years of FBI threat assessments and academic analysis.
Why would you ignore the Mormon background of the shooter?
That environment shaped him far more than a semester at a Deep Red college.
What should stand out to anyone with an interest in threat analysis in the US?
Is the stark and immediate threat presented by the Christian Nationalist motivated militias and lone actors.

Your entire premise is built on memes that probably 99% of the population haven't a clue about.

Yes,it is.
Because that 1% is precisely the audience that I believe Robinson's murder of Kirk was aimed at.
If he is a Groyper?
That's where he wanted the memes to land, on his sub group.
It's a sub culture I have some knowledge of, I recognise the targets of the memes.
You seemingly don't, and that's ok, you're lucky not to.
But never make the mistake of assuming that the target of any message left by a lunatic is the majority.
It's nearly always going to be their own in-group.

A question for you, whether you answer or not is your call and I am not trying to lay a trap with this.
It's just a simple request that you extend your thinking a little.

In the immediate aftermath of Kirk's shooting. Trump blamed the Left, Nancy Mace blamed pro-tranny shooter and called for the death penalty.
When GOP leadership became aware of shooter's family and the immediate 1st look at possible motives?
Mace went to asking for prayer, Trump made an effort at both sidesing and every single commentator that was loudly blaming the left and advocating widespread action.
Went quiet.

Why?
This murder, if carried out by the flavour of left wing lunatic that was originally claimed?
Is manna from heaven for the Trump, the GOP and any effort to suppress protest and further secure control.
Yet?
Those claims stopped, immediately upon arrest.
It wasn't to prevent influence as to being fair to Trump, he repeated his Death penalty call but he has stopped with his claims this was an action of the radical left.
Why do you think he's done that?

I wonder if they might be trying to do a Ghilaine Maxwell on this guy.

Can they offer him something in return for making his evidence spinnable in Trump's preferred direction?

Of course the justice department and the fbi have more integrity than that under their new leadership and show trials only happen in Stalin's USSR and Nazi Germany.

Do you not think that this is at least a little bit pathetic? A rightist killed Kirk but it's somehow still the left's fault?

Is this a new thing?

'rightists' putting antifa slogans on bullet casings and murdering conservatives?

It was a republican trying to shoot Trump so not like any lone wolf assassin is automatically going after someone from the other side politically. I'm against fascism but also im not a fan of antifa, which is a distinct organisation.

I guess it comes down to personal morals. For example my reason for existence is to protect and develop my children so that they can continue to flourish after my death. If they die, I have no purpose. So for me, it would be a case of whatever it takes. My loyalty is to them above the rest of society or any religious or social group. If in protecting one, it endangers the others however, then I might consider turning my back. It's nuts to me that this guy discussed the situation with a third party(his pastor)

They're not antifa slogans, they're from a video game. Bella Ciao is a Groyper anthem. The whole left, antifa association is a huge reach. The main ideological difference between Kirk/MAGA and Fuentes is that Fuentes is a committed anti-Semite while Kirk are committed Zionists. There are all sorts of inconsistent alliances going on here; Groypers are pro-Hamas and pro-Hezbollah for example.

I'd agree that the left-right associations are futile in this debate but what is interesting is the fault-lines within Trump's base are now beginning to crack, and blaming everything on 'the left' is looking a little like a failing strategy.

Sounds like a lot of 4d chess and an inability to apply Occam's razor.

I guess people hear what they want to hear.

It's a rightist thing and always has been. Conservatism is a moronic idea unless you're part of the establishment hence the need to shut down debates with threats, lies and violence.

I dont really get you . But ill try and answer anyway .

He is a big personalty, he is a loud mouth and says and does what he wants. He is great tv he stirrs the porridge in what ever he does.People either hate him or love him .I ly somewhere in the middle I can see he is trying to do good wheter it is or not is another thing.

As I said before hes great tv and he can push peoples buttons like no one Ive seen before.

There is so much going on in the virtual world that is way beyond mainstream. I admit, I never heard of Kirk until his murder, Groyper until the other day and the associated far right factions. A bit of an eye-opener