Northern Ireland 2125?

itsacoolday · 13-09-2025 09:20PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123813720#Comment_123813720

It is not a 32 county socialist Republic yet and Ryanair/Aer Ryan has not been nationalised. Until then, I doubt Mr. O'Leary will waste any money translating anything in to Irish. If there was any demand for it, he would. And as for bi lingual signs on the sides of the planes, forget it.

Fionn1952 · 13-09-2025 09:53PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123813813#Comment_123813813

....so? You lads are making up points to argue against.

Are you suggesting that a privately owned company should have the same obligations that state body with legislative requirements to support the Irish language should have?

Are you arguing that if language and culture doesn't turn over a profit that it should have no support?

Are we throwing out all arts funding because Michael O'Leary doesn't have Christie f*cking Moore playing live on every flight?

Instead of pithy b*llocks, could someone maybe explain what point they're trying to make or what relevance RyanAir have to absolutely fecking anything in this discussion?!

13-09-2025 10:44PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123813888#Comment_123813888

"Are you arguing that if language and culture doesn't turn over a profit that it should have no support?"

Is anybody actually arguing for this? What we could ask though, is there value for money when it comes to teaching Irish in the South's education system? Compulsory Irish all through primary & secondary school and look at the CSO stats (2022) when it comes to using Irish outside the education system. 51,000 use it daily, 109,000 weekly, less often: 610,000 and finally never: 473,000. Scandalous if you ask me.

FrancieBrady · 13-09-2025 10:47PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123813985#Comment_123813985

Also nothing to do with the discussion on Language Rights in NI.

When in need of deflection anything goes.

13-09-2025 10:56PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123813990#Comment_123813990

Not interested in you trying to start yet another petty squabble on the internet. You don't get to dictate how a discussion goes. Thank you.

FrancieBrady · 13-09-2025 11:03PM

Have at it.

itsacoolday · 13-09-2025 11:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123813990#Comment_123813990

The lack of use / demand for the Irish language has everything to do with any decision to spend millions on signs for same in N. Ireland. If SF could get their way, it would not be long until they got it compulsory in all schools in N.I., same as here. Who will pay for all that?

FrancieBrady · 13-09-2025 11:26PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123814058#Comment_123814058

Exaggeration doesn’t do your case any good.

The idea of the native language being given the official status it has is to promote it’s use.

That argument/debate has been won and approved by a majority.

But as usual what amounts to belligerent Unionist bigotry and offence has to be appeased. Even if one of the languages growth areas is among moderate Unionists.

michael-henry-mcivor · 13-09-2025 11:43PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123814058#Comment_123814058

The brits will pay - they are our b1tch-

They invaded- we beat them- they will pay out trillions more to the Irish-

13-09-2025 11:49PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123814090#Comment_123814090

“Exaggeration doesn’t do your case any good.

The idea of the native language being given the official status it has is to promote it’s use.”

Having official status will in no way promote the use of a language unless combined with other more concrete strategies. Looking at the South as an example, it seems we haven’t found them yet.

michael-henry-mcivor · 14-09-2025 12:02AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123814131#Comment_123814131

FG prod president candidate is saying she is voting for a 32 Our united Irish -

That beats U by a million miles-

The RA / Sinn Féin has done it-

FrancieBrady · 14-09-2025 12:08AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123814131#Comment_123814131

Who is saying anything different? Conradh Na Gaelige have been working on all tgat for years.

They need official status to help in that.
The south is a case that proves politics should have nothing to do with it.

14-09-2025 12:20AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123814165#Comment_123814165

"Conradh Na Gaelige have been working on all tgat for years."

Well considering the stats re the use of Irish outside the education system, it seems this particular body isn't doing a great job is it?

itsacoolday · 14-09-2025 12:40AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123814165#Comment_123814165

" politics should have nothing to do with it."???

The Irish language is a divisive thing in N.I. It has been used, it’s been politicised by Sinn Féin in the past. The quote that’s used to Unionists, quite often, is that every word spoken in Irish is a bullet fired in the fight for a united Ireland. People still remember it being used against them through the Troubles. Some would remember the hurt that has been caused by people who have used the language in the past. for example SF/IRA shouting Tiocfaidh ár lá after some attacks. No wonder unionists and neutrals are not mad keen on the language now, and find its use by Republicans often intimidating and chilling

FrancieBrady · 14-09-2025 12:49AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123814199#Comment_123814199

The argument about the place of the Irish Language is over.

Official status has been approved and legislated for by a majority of the Executive which SF does not have on it’s own.

You, if you are a democrat have to accept that.

itsacoolday · 14-09-2025 12:58AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123814204#Comment_123814204

Sad day for N.I. when a tiny majority abuses its power, and endevours to make it a cold house for the minority on purpose.

"The Irish language is a divisive thing in N.I. It has been used, it’s been politicised by Sinn Féin in the past. The quote that’s used to Unionists, quite often, is that every word spoken in Irish is a bullet fired in the fight for a united Ireland. People still remember it being used against them through the Troubles. Some would remember the hurt that has been caused by people who have used the language in the past. for example SF/IRA shouting Tiocfaidh ár lá after some attacks. No wonder unionists and neutrals are not mad keen on the language now, and find its use by Republicans often intimidating and chilling

FrancieBrady · 14-09-2025 01:15AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123814213#Comment_123814213

Once again you rubbish a democratic decision.

We can draw our conclusions from that.

itsacoolday · 14-09-2025 09:54AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123814226#Comment_123814226

Nationalists not giving equal rights to unionists and neutrals in Derry is not real democracy.

Nationalist city councillors forcing through signs with Irish language in unionist / protestant / loyalist areas if only 10% want Irish language signs there is not democracy, it is taunting. And chilling when the same nationalists say every word of irish is a bullet for Irish freedom.

downcow · 14-09-2025 10:11AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123807566#Comment_123807566

I understand the jobs fair was taking place in the Waterside. The place were tens of thousands of Protestants had to move to to escape militant Republicans, and also a long long way from where the incident happened 50 years ago.

Some people need to catch themselves on with this holding that incident above all the other incidences in Northern Ireland.

If we applied the same measure, then Michelle ONeil would not be able to visit most of Northern Ireland.

What happened in Londonderry that day was a very sad event, but if we were measuring horror events in the conflict, it’s a fair bit from the top

downcow · 14-09-2025 10:15AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123808876#Comment_123808876

Well, you could use the system that Sinn Fein have introduced in Belfast for irish signage, i.e. 15% rule over 85%. Or do you think that’s not very democratic?.

downcow · 14-09-2025 10:25AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123810182#Comment_123810182

What an incredible misinterpretation. Bryson has had a very clear and important victory over SF. The judge has told the SF Minister to do exactly what Bryson said she needed to do i.e. because it was a controversial decision it needed to go to the executive. That is where it will end up and Bryson will win that one.

downcow · 14-09-2025 10:29AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123810251#Comment_123810251

Wrong!

English law does not forbid the monarch from marrying a Catholic
The Army oath is not anti-Catholic

downcow · 14-09-2025 10:32AM

And the majority in this jurisdiction would want the army at the jobs fair.

FrancieBrady · 14-09-2025 10:32AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123814555#Comment_123814555

Belfast City Council has 60 councillors, 22 of them are SF.
When I went to school, 22% is not a majority in that council.

If you want a majority decision you have to persuade others of your case, which was clearly done here.

Once again, you show the lack of understanding of what a democracy is.

‘When you are used to privilege, equality feels like oppression’ is an entirely apt observation here.

FrancieBrady · 14-09-2025 10:38AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123814573#Comment_123814573

We'll see who wins. Both you and Bryson seem to be ignoring the direction of a fed up judge to take the advise of the Irish Language COmmissioner on 'best practice' for dual language signage.

I asked you earlier, what is the basis for these signs in a 'transport hub' being 'controversial'?

downcow · 14-09-2025 10:39AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123812225#Comment_123812225

The fact you even have to ask that question surprises me.

Maybe if you ask yourself why Sinn Fein are pushing for the signage, that will help answer your own question ie what is their motive?

If you don’t understand that Sinn Fein and the IRA have caused Irish language to be seen simply as a sectarian marker of domination by most unionists, then you are very out of touch with our community.

I am friendly with people who speak and love Irish - genuine decent people and it is a shame that their language was put into such a place by the shinners.

So the best way for you to understand is that if you replace each of those Irish signs with a little union flag or a UDR crest - that’s what SF & IRA have done to the Irish language?

FrancieBrady · 14-09-2025 10:43AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123814590#Comment_123814590

Nice try, The 'Jobs Fair' is not just for that constituency. And the council is the Derry-Strabane Council.

itsacoolday · 14-09-2025 10:50AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123814592#Comment_123814592

Stop diverting. When it comes to Irish language, if it is "Sinn Fein" or "Sinn Fein and their allies" that have introduced rules in Belfast for irish signage, i.e. 15% rule over 85%, it does not matter. You asked about democracy and you are defending that. Yet you will not accept democracy in referendums when you lose eg border poll in the early seventies. But you expect others to accept your democracy eg 15% ruling over 85% and taunting them.

FrancieBrady · 14-09-2025 10:50AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123814606#Comment_123814606

So is this the case the DUP will make?

I have asked myself why those interested in the survival of the language would be pushing for it being visible and given equal status. The SDLP ALLIANCE AND GREENS PBP and IND all seem to think the same as SF when it comes to voting on these things.

It's a good thing for the native language.

FrancieBrady · 14-09-2025 11:33AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123814628#Comment_123814628

That motion was brought in by a majority of the elected council.

Language experts from the Council Of Europe monitoring the UK's compliance with the European Charter for Regional or Minority Languages had said that

The existence of high thresholds limiting the possibility to put up bilingual signs were incompatible with the UK's compliance with the European Charter for Regional or Minority Languages.

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