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Presidential Election 2025

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,075 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    1/3 of those who voted in a particular referendum is not the same thing as 1/3 of the electorate.

    And many, probably most in fact, of those voters are not anti-abortion to the extent that Steen is. They may have had issues with particular aspects of the proposed legislation, for instance, while supporting the right to abortion in other circumstances.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,488 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,212 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Plus we've seen with other social issues that once liberal reform has been introduced opposition more or less evaporates on the spot. 40% voted against same-sex marriage in 2015: how many of those have given the issue a moment's in the subsequent decade or would have any interest in seeing it reversed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,440 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Yes it was expected that Higgins would win comfortably.

    The Irish Times exit poll was interesting.

    " It attributed the expected low turnout to "a lack of public enthusiasm for the contest that was evident throughout the campaign".[61]

    It ascribed Peter Casey's second place to a late surge of support following his criticisms of Travellers and his claim that Ireland had "a growing culture of welfare dependency", and it added that at some polling stations pollsters reported that "he was attracting as many voters as Mr Higgins"."

    2018 Irish presidential election - Wikipedia

    Turnout was 43.9% in 2018.

    The main difference in 2025 is there's no incumbent running.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,512 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    I think you missed my point (judging by the so what?) re read. In simple summary there is a variety of reasons why people vote. Party based and protest etc.

    The reason Casey got that percentage was “protest” but he was never a serious candidate. It was merely a protest vote simple as that. If McGregor got nominated it would be the same a pantomime candidate with no serious chance of winning the election.
    Those that want to vote “anti establishment” but have no real political concise order or plan beneath the vote.

    The unorganised gombeen vote in other words.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,440 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    "The unorganised gombeen vote in other words"

    As opposed to what, the organised gombeen vote?

    LOL



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,512 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    ???? I will leave you at it. It is barstool chat dressed up as pseudo-intellectual meanderings/sniping is what you seem into. Rather than actual debate.
    If you enjoy it what harm? But it is not my thing.

    Your previous “So what?” Reminded me of a Roddy Doyle incident he recalled. He was at the dart station. And a pigeon walking tracksuit wearing teenager asked him “Are you Roddy Doyle?”

    “Yes” said Doyle. “So wha?” Snapped the teenager…and pigeon walked off into the distance.

    The latest “Lol” in your above post has not elevated the “debate” either….

    Post edited by gormdubhgorm on

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,134 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    That's Independent Ireland.

    Though 'organised' is very much a relative term.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,018 ✭✭✭jmcc


    FFG backed Higgins. :) That's what the 'G' means.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,512 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Irish Times (Pat Leahy) questioning Sinn Fein “dithering” on the Presidential Election.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2025/09/13/pat-leahy-mary-lou-mcdonalds-rte-interview-about-the-presidency-was-more-revealing-than-she-intended/

    Paywall removed-

    https://archive.is/CDegd

    The language used by McDonald in her Morning Ireland interview was revealing. Discussing the presidency with Mary Wilson, McDonald used the first person pronoun (I, me, my) 32 times. This was a decision that she was framing very much as a personal choice of hers, not a decision of the party’s “collective leadership”.

    Here’s what the Andersonstown News – widely thought to be familiar with the thinking of Belfast Sinn Féin – said in a recent editorial: “The political Pooh-Bahs in Leinster House are sweating profusely this week, and not because a heatwave is on the way but rather because a certain Mary Lou McDonald is pondering a run at the Áras ... We think she certainly should throw her hat in the ring.”

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 690 ✭✭✭michael-henry-mcivor


    Heather humpries the FG presidential candidate spoke at a press conference in monaghan this morning- as a Presbyterian she said she attended orange marches in her youth but would now vote for a united Ireland in the border poll-

    This is FG today-



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,018 ✭✭✭jmcc


    The main differences are that there is no single government endorsed candidate, the combined FF/FG is lower than it was in 2018, the legacy media landscape has changed with the sale of much IN&M to Mediahuis and Communicorp radio stations to Bauer, and the government vote is potentially split.

    While FF and FG transfer well, FF/FG voters may well just vote for their party candidate and leave it at that. The percentage of Don't Knows in the most recent opinion poll was larger than the support for any cadidate. Until SF makes its move, it is difficult to estimate which of the government candidates will do better. Humphreys isn't a good candidate and Gavin looks like a smaller version of Martin when standing beside him (two bald men). The GAA vote could give Gavin an edge while Humprheys looks likely to end up on the FG party support of about 17% unless her campaign gains momentum.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,440 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    All this opinionated speculation and SF hasn't shown its hand yet. For what its worth, which may be very little, I think Gavin was a poor choice by MM and one that will alienate quite a few FF supporters. Too early to tell with HH. CC is up against it.

    The big question is will MON run for SF???



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,018 ✭✭✭jmcc


    You seem to want MO'N to run for president. Would you vote for her?

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,488 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Irish Times (Pat Leahy) questioning Sinn Fein “dithering” on the Presidential Election.

    In which Pat, as he does, makes up some stuff about what he thinks is happening and comes up with nothing very interesting.
    SF have never said anything other than their decision would come after the 20th Sept Ard Comhairle meeting.

    Patience campers! 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,440 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Good question, I possibly would. It'd depend on HH's performance in the campaign. I doubt if JG would get it. My wife says she's voting for CC but I'm not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,018 ✭✭✭jmcc


    If SF chose her as its candidate, she could do well.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,212 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,018 ✭✭✭jmcc


    This is the important tweet:The poll began sampling when McDonald (and Joanna Donnelly, and Billy Kelleher) was still in the field - in original ‘raw’ vote, before second preferences were factored in:

    Humphreys 20

    McDonald 20

    Gavin 16

    Kelleher 15

    Connolly 7

    "

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,440 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Another meaningless poll, only three of them likely to appear on the ballot. Kind of confirms my suspicion about Gavin though.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,212 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Gives some clue as to the relative standings of FF and FG though? Which looks like being the decisive question in this race…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,902 ✭✭✭Downlinz


    I wonder if this was a publishing mistake with the numbers for Kelleher and Connolly mixed because otherwise it implies Kelleher voters transferred heavily to Connolly ahead of everyone else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,018 ✭✭✭jmcc


    The sampling period looks a bit iffy because it is sampling over an inflection point when the dynamics of the election changed. When that kind of thing (potential candidates dropping out) occurs, the assumptions of the original poll are not reliable. They may have started out planning to make a boiled egg but ended up with an omlette.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,018 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Apart from it being a RedC poll based on a panel rather than face to face polling, FF appears to be the stronger party and FG is in trouble with Humphreys. With a single FF candidate, it should be polling better than FG. The sample period and changed candidates mean that the poll results are problematic.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    In terms of party support in that poll, FG are on 19, while FF are on 18, which contradicts what you are saying.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,440 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    There's less party loyalty than GEs. It's more 'do I want to be listening to and looking at this person for the next 7 years?'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,001 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    MOE is 3% so, in effect tied.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,018 ✭✭✭jmcc


    True. The presidency effectively sidelines politicians for seven years and was traditionally used as a retirement home for faithful party politicians (mainly FF as FG never won the presidency). Even in 1990, Robinson winning was more of a accident than a plan. McAleese wasn't a TD. Higgins only won in 2011 because of RTE's use of the fake tweet and Gallagher was polling at 40%. It was safe for FF and FG to endorse him in 2018 as he would not have caused a bye-election.

    With both FF and FG not having enough TDs to form a government, each TD's seat is valuable. That probably influenced some of their thinking with FG getting Humphreys out of retirement and FF endorsing a candidate who could just as easily be an FG candidate. The support for MLMcD as the SF candidate seems to be coming from FFG supporters and that would take an SF TD out of the Dail. Connolly, if she won, might also cause a bye-election. Kelleher, if it was still in the race and won would not cause a bye-election.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,353 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    BRB off to put the life savings on Marie,,I wonder will PP accept them?🤔



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,018 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Worse. It is effectively two polls. The first is the responses from the panelists when Kelleher and MLMcD were still potential candidates. The second is with those three excluded. Without knowing the number of panelists who voted in the first part and the numbers who voted in the second, it is very difficult to draw any reliable conclusions other than FF candidates show the most support.

    Regards…jmcc



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