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Northern Ireland 2125?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,245 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    What 'rights' were 'trampled' on?

    Can young people engage with the BA = Yes
    Can people join the BA = Yes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Yes, Trumpians say the same thing in the USA when they make it more difficult to vote by reducing the number of polling booths and staff, in this case, the council has made it more difficult for people to assert their right to a job in the British Army.

    Those are the type of tactics you are defending.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,245 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    You can select a few road signs from around the world but the norm is for both languages NOT to be given equal prominence if one language is used less than the other, as is the case here in the Republic

    So Squamish is used more than English in Canada?

    And Basque is equally prominent in France?

    You do pick some hills to die on Francis.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,873 ✭✭✭ittakestwo


    Who said i supported that or even SF.

    And that is complete diversion of my post about dual sign posts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,873 ✭✭✭ittakestwo


    What is a "traditional street names". Sign posts are not some sort of culture. They're signs to let the public know the name of the public street. In this jurisdiction there is two official languages. Ok you dont speak one but why do you need to stop the name going up in irish when the sign will also has the name in a language you understand. It is sad bastard whos mindset are set in the colonial past who have an insecurity about it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,245 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Bryson's comments on Nolan show this morning after a judge more or less threw out his Judicial Review of the Grand Central Station Dual Language signs reveals what it's all about:

    basically, nationalists allow us our toxic bonfires, banned parades in Drumcree etc and we'll leave them alone.

    A grubby intolerant attempt to get back what we are all better off getting rid of.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,873 ✭✭✭ittakestwo


    I am sure some do speak it on here. Every time i go to tesco btw there is a failte sign at the door. Rte have an irish TV and radio station. I grew up in dublin and the family next door spoke irish as thier first language and kids went to irish schools. The language is used

    Nobody is claiming it is used as much ad English but it is disingenuous to say its not used.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 690 ✭✭✭michael-henry-mcivor


    Does the brit army believe in equality -?-

    U have to swear allegiance to the Crown before U are allowed to join the brit army-

    Does English law forbid the Crown to marry a Catholic-

    Is that brit army oath anti- Catholic-?-

    We got rid of the Crown oath from the PSNI for a reason-



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I think the compulsory aspect of the Irish language in 2nd level schools just p*sses people off and leaves them with lingering bad memories afterward. Should be voluntary, no studying of novels etc until Honours Leaving Cert. Base it on conversation until then and make it fun. More would engage IMO.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    There have been two development in the last few decades about the Irish language, firstly the Irish Languages Act, and secondly, Irish becoming a language of the EU.

    On the surface, these appear to mean that the Irish language is gaining stature and will lead to more people speaking it. However, there have been unintended consequences. As a result of this development hundreds and thousands of documents that nobody reads (even in English) have had to be translated into Irish. This has resulted in great employment prospects for Irish language graduates. As a result, these graduates are not going into teaching, and there are now fewer qualified Irish teachers at second level than there ever was. Efforts to increase those studying Irish in college are not working either.

    Early and Modern Irish at 349 is the second lowest points in TCD, only beaten by another job that nobody wants (Intellectual Disability Nurse) at 338.

    Even in UCG, closest to the Gaeltachts, Irish is only at 368.

    The Atlantic Technological University doesn't even offer Irish on its own, and its combination of Business and Irish is only at 307.

    The "successes" of Irish are leading to a real long-term risk of the language attaining hobby or fad status, even possibly disappearing altogether other than the cupla focail we all know.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 304 ✭✭Irish History


    By stupid people who say and think that.

    And it has not always been translated as ourselves alone.

    And what racist undertones would they be? Are you intentionally taking the meaning of the word out of context or are you just plain stupid?

    Mod Edit: Warned for personal abuse

    Post edited by Necro on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 304 ✭✭Irish History


    Irish people, who are the native majority in actual Ireland want the GAA throughout Ireland.

    County Armagh were Ireland's football champions up until a few weeks ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 304 ✭✭Irish History


    The foreign British army of occupation are not "guilty of anything" in Ireland.

    You haven't a clue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,245 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    @downcow what is the basis of the objection to multi-language signs at a transport hub?

    I can't find what the core reasoning is here. What is 'controversial' about following through on majority agreed legislation, which seems to be at the centre of Bryson's set aside Judicial Review?

    There are no residents here, and this place is 'shared space' used by all.

    On Thursday, Mr Justice McAlinden called on ministers to enter discussions over the inclusion of Irish language signs instead of spending vital public money on a legal battle.

    Putting back a challenge mounted by loyalist activist Jamie Bryson, he declared it a test for the power-sharing administration to demonstrate political consensus can be reached on issues of dispute.

    Sinn Fein’s Infrastructure Minister Liz Kimmins has responded to the criticism.“I note the comments of Mr Justice McAlinden and agree it could be worked out through dialogue – something I have attempted to do on more than one occasion,” she said in a statement on Friday.

    “I remain willing to do so and believe this is the best way to avoid legal action and the unnecessary use of public funds."

    The position has always been that my decision to provide bilingual signage is entirely consistent with my responsibility as Minister for Infrastructure.

    Belfast's Grand Central Station "Grand Central Station is an all-island transport hub and visibility of the Irish language is important in delivering an inclusive and welcoming environment for all our people.”




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,755 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    The replacement of “virtually new” signage will come at a cost of £120,000 (€143,000) to the taxpayer, an expense which is unnecessary, as everyone born and reared in Ireland understands English, and immigrants or tourists have a much better chance of understanding English rather than being confronted by a confusing sign with two languages sharing the same size font, and typeface.

    If you want to make it as inclusive as possible to everyone and want a second language, they should put Polish on it, as more people in Ireland speak Polish in their everyday lives than Irish.

    If people are that keen on Irish, why not lobby to put the header at the top of this page ( eg "Posts Categories Groups") in to dual language / Irish? A website that does that will suffer, that is why.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,245 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The cost of the signage is not a part of the Judicial Review.

    The Station is only opening this year and Translink had said earlier

     "Translink is continuing to engage with all interested parties regarding multi-lingual signage at Belfast Grand Central Station for the official opening in the autumn of 2025." 

    The procurement process was stalled by Bryson's Judicial Review which the court has now set aside and directed that the decision should be made at the Executive under the advisement of the new Irish Language Commissioner as to best practice.

    *In an earlier hearing by the way, Bryson committed in court to pay for any extra costs incurred if his judicial review failed.

    A barrister representing the minister indicated Mr Bryson could face a claim for damages if he lost his case.

    ''Let's say the costs of IT or signage goes up by £50,000 and the case fails, we need to know… if that will be met," Tony McGleenan KC said.

    The judge, Mr Justice Scoffield, asked Mr Bryson if he was prepared to give assurances over any financial damages or losses if he sought and obtained an injunction in an ultimately unsuccessful challenge.

    Mr Bryson replied that he would.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 690 ✭✭✭michael-henry-mcivor


    Are money men behind blue bin Bryson -?-

    A few years ago Bryson was caught doing the double- working and receiving bru benefits at the same time-

    Now money 💰 seems no problem-



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,755 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    If you want to replace “virtually new” signage which will come at a cost of £120,000 (€143,000), putting Polish on it could be a good compromise, as more people in Ireland speak Polish in their everyday lives than Irish.

    Plus, as noted before, as everyone born and reared in Ireland understands English, and immigrants or tourists have a much better chance of understanding English rather than being confronted by a confusing sign with two languages sharing the same size font, and typeface.

    FrancieBrady, why do republicans like yourself not lobby to put the header at the top of this page ( eg "Posts" "Categories" "Groups") in to dual language / Irish? Is it because you know that a website that does that will suffer? After all, the more Irish the better and "every word of Irish is a bullet for Irish Freedom", end of quote? Or other websites / businesses here in Ireland? It is obvious who you enjoy shooting the bullets at.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,245 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    These are just personal likes and grudges. ^^^

    Can you deal with what was actually going on?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,755 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Can you answer the question? Is it because businesses know better than to put up confusing signs with two languages sharing the same size font, and typeface etc?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,245 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    This is a problem in your own head as shown in the examples posted earlier.

    The 'answer' is NO it is clearly not an issue.

    Anywhere I ever lived road and street signage is NOT for residents who generally know where they are and what street they live on and the names of the surrounding streets. So much so IMO residents rarely if ever look at street signage around their homes.

    Stop coming up with red herrings and deal with the actual details of this case.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,245 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Whatever about where Bryson's funds are coming from, there is big public money being spent on legal challenges most likely far exceeding the cost of some signage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,755 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Not at all. The cost of replacing signage in N.I. with dual language goes in to many millions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,245 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    120,000stg in a project that cost 350stg million?

    Come on, you can do better than that surely?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,755 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Stop diverting and answer the question. "

    FrancieBrady, why do republicans like yourself not lobby to put the header at the top of this page ( eg "Posts" "Categories" "Groups") in to dual language / Irish? Is it because you know that a website that does that will suffer?

    Why not ask. no insist that Michael O'Leary changes signage on his planes from Ryanair to include AerRyan ? His airline should be welcoming to all, no?

    aer ryan
    


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,245 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Is this your 'leave us anti Irish belligerents' 'anti majority democratic decisions crowd' alone pitch? 😁

    Boards.ie and RyanAir are private companies and can do what they wish.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,755 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Come on, tell Michael o'Leary his has to rebrand all his planes, logos, stationary etc from RyanAir to dual branding including the equal size word AerRyan. I'd love to see the reaction you get.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,245 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    RyanAir is a private company.

    We are discussing a public space run under the aegis of the Executive and the legislation it must comply with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 690 ✭✭✭michael-henry-mcivor


    And most of the signage had to be replaced anyway due to wear and tyre- So Irish was added to English in the new road signs that had to be replaced anyway-



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,755 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Ryanair /AerRyan is actually a PLC. Public Limited Company. It carries about 200 million passengers per year, which is considerably more than pass through the train station in Belfast.

    And 2 wrongs do not make a right.

    Had it been lumbered with dual language signage I doubt it would have been as successful, and would have confused a lot of people along the way. I'd love to see what Michael O'Leary would say to your idea of dual language. I'd say it would be the same as to your idea of a nice socialist republican U.I.



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