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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,743 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    How do you know all of this about the shooter? I didn't see that info released anywhere?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,754 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    Seriously that is the second quite aggressive response to me I don't recall having any dealings with you in the past. I think we will beg to differ as we now know the assassin was a leftist Antifa extremist who killed an innocent man! Anyway this is the wrong thread to discuss the assassination of Charlie Kirk as there is a separate thread for that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,636 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Where did his family state he was this strong leftist, or are you now just clutching at straws seeing as the man who attempted to kill Trump, Thomas Matthew Crooks, and this Tyler Robinson were both from the right gene poll ?

    Btw, according to the last census here not many appear to look on themselves as Atheist. 76% identify themselves as Christian with 14% identifying themselves as "no religion."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 470 ✭✭Iecrawfc


    Hilarious all the republicans shooting their mouth off including the moron in chief but now it turns out it was one of their own did it. Watch them ignore any previous statements and getting back to pinning something else on the 'radical left', hopefully a few more get caught in the far right vs far right civil war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 410 ✭✭scuba8


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    I think snake hasn’t been keeping up with the facts about who perpetrated the violence. His is a typical maga response.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,631 ✭✭✭FAILSAFE 00


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    Its this sort of dangerous rhetoric from the left and mainstream media that invites lone nuts to kill people.

    Its been especially pushed out by the Democrats.

    The left twist words, take them out of context and push out a dangerous narrative in the hope someone will act on them.

    And actively ask people to do so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,866 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    So what did the left or mainstream media push to cause a right winger (open to correction) to kill another right winger?Are right wing people that gullible? Actually don't answer that.

    Fight, Fight, Fight…

    1. When the looting starts, the shooting starts.
    2. Maybe he should have been roughed up, because it was absolutely disgusting what he was doing.
      I’d like to punch him in the face.

    3. Can’t you just shoot them? Just shoot them in the legs or something?
    4. And I’ll tell you something—that’s the way it has to be. There has to be retribution when you have crime like this.

    5. Stand back and stand by.
    6. Get smart Republicans. FIGHT!
    7. I am your warrior. I am your justice. And for those who have been wronged and betrayed, I am your retribution.
    8. They’re poisoning the blood of our country.
    9. If I don’t get elected … it’s going to be a bloodbath for the country.
    10. If you had one really violent day … one rough hour—and I mean real rough—the word will get out, and it will end immediately.

    Is any of that dangerous rhetoric in your eyes? That's all from a single person!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,628 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    You act like accepting you were wrong is a weakness.

    It isn't.

    On a completely different topic, you misquoted one of my posts and haven't admitted you were wrong yet.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,631 ✭✭✭FAILSAFE 00


    More than likely radicalised in college. The family point to him being political over the last few years.

    These places are breathing grounds for extemistism. Especially the left



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 470 ✭✭Iecrawfc


    Well I suppose if you send a kid to a 'progressive' school they can come back a different gender so maybe a far right extremist from a family of right wingers could become a far left extremist in a day...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,464 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy


    Look up "Groyper" and come back to us. You're making yourself look rather stupid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,464 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy


    "We now know the assassin was a leftist Antifa extremist ."

    No, we don't. Reports are suggesting he was a right wing extremist and Kirk was too moderate for him. It's hilarious to see all the backtracking from the usual suspects now that's it one of their own. We've had very few dealings in the past, I just make a point of calling out hypocrites and liars.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,628 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Posters who bailed in here, hurling insults assuming things about the shooter, when actual information came out which doesn't suit their narrative....

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    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,252 ✭✭✭secman


    Charlie's cult like society was and is a breeding ground for ultra right Christian gun loving ideals and is especially aimed at young people, usually college students. America is fcked . Their far right condemn far right Muslims and they can't see the similarities.

    Too much of anything in life is ultimately bad for you and especially religion, ultra right Christians are anything but Christian they absolutely lose the true meaning of the word.

    Hardly a mention about kids being shot and yet Charlie's being put forward as a Martyr, so fcking sad, looney right wing calling the Left Loonies, a truly fcked up polarized country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,257 ✭✭✭dogbert27


    Starting with "More than likely" means you're just making sxxt up.

    Be open minded that you jumped to the wrong conclusion and filled this page for the last 3 days with nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,256 ✭✭✭Field east


    Leroy 42, I assume that Trump would agree that The US is a democracy and if you ask Putin if Russia is a democracy he would definately say “yes”.; would it be too much to ask you if you could point out the main differences , IF ANY, between both. ,!!!!!!!!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,163 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    those liberal colleges must be great if they radicalised him in just one semester.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,628 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    I think the best thing we can do to honour Charlie is to release the Epstein files, just like he wanted...

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,638 ✭✭✭TinyMuffin


    shooter’s grandmother has said that he was raised right.

    Didn’t say how far right tho.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,638 ✭✭✭TinyMuffin


    didn’t he change his tune after a call from trump?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,718 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    The extremism of admitting when you got something wrong? Do you think it was dangerous rhetoric that Kirk said a patriot needed to bail the Pelosi attacker out and heavily implied that Pelosi was in a gay love affair with the attacker?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,256 ✭✭✭Field east


    The core argument re this assassination is around the very existance of the ‘so-called left’ - whatever that is in

    N America. This is disturbing because almost ALL of the murders, homosides and Assassinations that I can recall were committed by mainly individuals acting on their own , who were somewhat deranged - genes/ mental ill health come to mind, - were disgruntled for some reason, slighted by their school or employer whatever . But coming from ‘a left ideology is not one of them.

    I can recall LH Oswald, Sandy Hook, Timothy McVeigh , the guy who took a shot at Trump, Robinson, the ‘I had a Dream ‘ shooter. , the murderers in all those schools, Jim Jones and the killing of his followers along with some senators., the fellow who corralled his followers in America and had a hoot out with , was it, the FBI. , those shooters that cause the daily murders in any American City.

    The elephant in the room is that neither side is prepared to tackle the REAL cause IMO ie :-

    An adequate mental health service

    A review of employment laws especially re leaving people go

    A staff support policy in all of the public and private sectors

    Review the whole gun situation with much more strict laws

    A stop put to demonising individuals, groups, etc , and treat them as individuals with a 100% right to exist but are perfectly entitled to have a different POV.

    Schooling from the beginning should have a subject on Civics eg how to respect each individual, how to treat eachother, what life is all about, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc in the hope that it would end up, as the ‘training percolates up’ , with students, adolesences , adults will have a better understanding of what fairness is, what showing empathy is, What democratic politics is suppose to be etc, etc, etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,450 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Prove it.

    We all know that the overwhelming majority of hate, radicalising rhetoric and violence comes from the right. In the US, there's no such thing as the non-fascist right any more. It's all the same ugly morass now.

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    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,371 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    What, you think Christian Conservatives can't be racist, bigoted, homophobes?

    Charlie was all of those things, and more.

    And its looking like the shooter, a republican, was influenced by Nick Fuentes, another racist, bigoted, homophobe who claims to be a Christian.

    This is nothing to do with left.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 31,445 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    If you want to see a genuine example of mainstream media pushing dangerous rhetoric?

    The WSJ put out an article saying the bullet casings in the Kirk assassination were inscribed with ‘transgender ideology’.

    They sheepishly rolled this back with an extremely cautious editor’s note and major story / headline edit that were likely seen by a far smaller number of people than the original explosive claim:

    https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/charlie-kirk-shot/card/ammunition-in-kirk-shooting-engraved-with-transgender-antifascist-ideology-sources-pdymd1sXXMSlVRhpvR4b

    https://x.com/wsj/status/1966574213730337204?s=46&t=nwvJe3fJtU0siJ7wj5mjTA

    Not before, alas, several major UK newspapers - many of which are committed to making life utterly miserable for transgender people - splashed the same claim on their front pages:

    https://bsky.app/profile/newschambers.bsky.social/post/3lynsszzhuc2u

    There will be no big, prominent front page retraction for these claims, and the official evidence released suggests no ‘transgender ideology’ on these bullet casings (they did, however, include a schoolyard-level ‘haha you’re gay’ joke). The most generous read so far is that the initial ‘sources’ gravely misinterpreted a Helldivers video game meme. This reporting was, by any reasonable journalistic standards, dangerously rushed.

    So here we are. Transgender people demonised to a huge audience by the mainstream media based on flimsy and - based on all official evidence and statements thus far, including from the openly conservative Utah governor - likely non-existent evidence. There will be no meaningful effort to backtrack on this, because it suits the ideology of the people who pushed the message in the first place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,257 ✭✭✭dogbert27


    News sources today don't care about waiting for the facts of a story anymore.

    It needs to feed the sensationalist headlines to attract people to get hits so it can get more money from advertising.

    As you say, they know they can put a small apology piece afterwards if needed that won't get the same headlines but will cover themselves legally while still enjoying the money from the original piece they put out



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,371 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Immediately after Kirks shooting, this US representative spoke to the media and her first words were, "The Democrats own what happened today" she immediately got annoyed at a Reporter who asked if therefore Republicans owned the killing of 2 Democrat lawmakers in Minnesota in June.

    These are recent social media posts from her.

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    Leaving aside her 2 tier levels of justice mindset, using her stance, it is completely logical, and warranted, to say the blame for this lies within Republicans circles.

    Mace, Stephen Miller, Steve Bannon, Trump and many more quickly and aggressively spoke about needing to target Left groups, individuals and ideals in response to Kirks killing. They should reflect in their roles for how we got here. I don't think anyone expects they will.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 4,123 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Also a day or two before the assassination , there were reports Trump was considering an EO to ban transgender people from owning a gun, using the claim they were mentally ill. In theory mental ill people are already barred by statute law from owning a gun, but it happens anyway because many Republican states refuse to properly maintain their mental health databases for the background check system created by the Brady Gun Control and Gun Violence Act 1994. They do this in order to frustrate the enforcement of this law.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 98,292 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Two tweets

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    It's the blame game. Blame those to the left of the far right until it's proven in most cases to be the right all along and then keep quite until the next time you can clutch your pearls.

    The anarchists of old had the idea that if they destroyed the old order something better would arise. The right show why this is a terrible idea.

    Given that the number of people who are tying to start a civil war is probably less than the number of people would die in one , is it ethically correct to let them try ?



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 98,292 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


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    The leopards will eat your face.



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