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Passing loop at Oranmore train station

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,308 ✭✭✭Wompa1


    Yes, as in double tracking. From what it looks or seems from what I read Naughton talking about, it seems like there could be a backup of traffic between Galway and Athenry because the passing loop is going to rejoin to an individual track for some of the route, so it is possible a frequent commuter train could result in delays for the city to city services or vice versa. They may have to wait on departure to allow the commuter train to merge and get ahead of them on the individual track out to Athenry or they would have to plan the schedules well so there isn't a slowdown for services coming in on the Athenry to Galway stretch or was I misreading and the passing loop will be a looped out track that spans all the way from Galway to Athenry and stops at Oranmore and Athenry on separate platforms?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,647 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    The passing loop is 820 m of second track at Oranmore station, with a second platform, to allow two trains to pass each other in Oranmore station.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,647 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    This helps explain a passing loop:

    A-simplistic-passing-loop-enabling-two-trains-to-pass-on-a-single-track-railway.png


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,647 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    It will be single track, like now, from Renmore barracks to Oranmore.

    There is a passing loop already on Lough Atalia bridge, beside the barracks.

    Then a new passing loop in Oranmore station.

    Then single trackk as now to Athenry.

    Then the existing passing loop in Athenry, which is where trains can pass now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,374 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    It will happen, when is the question. Should be planning for it now and build up along that corridor. Could we build a NEW town between Oranmore and Athenry?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,647 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    IE plan to double the track to Athenry by 2040:

    image.png

    Galway County Council have already published a masterplan for 1,100 houses at Garraun behind Oranmore railway station.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,647 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    The passing loop will reduce delays, and the effects of delays.

    If a train from Dublin is delayed, the train leaving Galway will no longer have to wait for it in the passing loop at Lough Atalia.

    Instead, it can go to Oranmore, and wait there, meaning the pax for Oranmore are not delayed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,308 ✭✭✭Wompa1


    It should reduce it compared to now but isn't the plan to run a more frequent service for commuter transit. So they will have more services along that shorter route but it will also be in contention with the regular city to city service. I would guess, if they time things properly there shouldn't be much delay. Passing trains could get by as the commuter train is at the platform rather than having trains stop on the passing loop to allow a train to continue onto the single track.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,647 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Although you keep referring to them, there is no such thing as a "commuter train" on the Galway line.

    There are trains as follows:

    (1) trains from Galway to Athlone/Tullamore/Dublin - these are typically class 22000 ICRs

    (2) trains to Ennis and Limerick - these are a mix of 22000 ICRs and class 2800 DMUs

    (3) a few trains (not many) that go from Galway out to Athenry, and turn back

    Most, but not all, of these trains stop in Oranmore.

    All of them stop in Athenry.

    Trains pass each other in Athenry, as Athenry has two platforms and two tracks.

    No more diesel trains are on order.

    So the only way to have more services on the section between Galway and Athenry is for:

    (1) more trains to be cascaded from elsewhere in Ireland - I believe this is due to happen in a few years time

    (2) or else if the planned passing loop in Oranmore allows the existing stock of vehicles to provide more services - I am not sure if this is the case

    The politicians keep saying that the passing loop will allow up to 4 tph, but they never state whether IE have the stock to provide this service.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,647 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    "I would guess, if they time things properly there shouldn't be much delay. Passing trains could get by as the commuter train is at the platform rather than having trains stop on the passing loop to allow a train to continue onto the single track."

    I don't really understand you here.

    The idea of a passing loop is that two trains travelling in opposite directions will come to a stop in Oranmore (like they do now in Athenry).

    They will both stop, and drop off and collect pax in Oranmore.

    This can't happen now, as the line is single-track.

    You seem to suggest that one train will not stop. Maybe that will happen on some services, I'm not sure.

    Maybe there are some times of the day when the demand from Oranmore is low, and it doesn't make sense to stop.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,647 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    2024_IE_Oranmore_passing_loop_planning_application.jpg

    What does the reference to "rail buffer" mean in the planning application?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,647 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Planning permission given today.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,036 ✭✭✭GerardKeating




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,647 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Signalling, electrification and telecommunication compound (maximum c. 3.4m in height) to accommodate a generator building (c. 20sqm), an electrical building (c. 26sqm) and a fuel storage room (c. 6sqm); 

    Is this a standby generator?

    Or is this generator in use all the time?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,374 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    https://connachttribune.ie/works-to-start-on-oranmore-train-station-upgrades-in-october/

    works to begin October 2025 on the passing LOOP

    "

    Oranmore-native Minister Hildegarde Naughton is also asking the NTA to ensure the station is served by public transport in the very near future.

    And separate to that, Galway County Council is currently advancing plans to create new pedestrian paths and cycling lanes between the station and the village centre.

    "

    hopefully this means a Bus Stop at the BUS BAY near the platform itself and NOT the Coast Road



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,647 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    6.5 years after first mentioned here, to start construction on 820 metres of second track.

    God Help Us.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,737 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    Is a railway station not, by definition, served by public transport?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,374 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    If was the Minister I might have phrased it as below but it is still an understandable phrase from Minister Naughton.

    I would said:

    "

    ….

     is also asking the NTA to ensure that the Oranmore station is served by the local bus service #404 by installing a bus shelter and real time information sign within 10 meters of the Oranmore station platforms so as to facilitate the public in using public transport"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,647 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    There seems to be some construction activity at the station, I'm not sure is it the start of building the passing loop.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,374 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    Maybe with dry summer of 2025 contractors got ahead of schedule with other projects and can start now instead of October as advertised back in May?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 523 ✭✭✭CuriousCucumber


    There are signs up at the station, that the car park will be closed from October 3rd until 17th (I think)
    It sounds as if just the car park will be closed, but some work must be starting



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,647 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    https://www.independent.ie/regionals/galway/news/disruption-expected-at-galway-train-station-as-works-to-result-in-limited-parking-and-service-changes/a1938137725.html

    It looks like the initial work will be changes to the car park, and the construction of an underpass.

    "The new underpass will include cycle lanes and full disability access — features not typically seen in earlier Irish Rail projects. Phase one of the works is expected to be completed by October 14, with tendering for the second phase due in mid-2026."

    "The entire project is scheduled for completion by early 2027, when Irish Rail expects increased train frequency and an improved commuter experience."

    It is worrying that even though PP was awarded, IE have not appointed the main contractor.

    It seems they won't even look for a main contractor until min-2026.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,374 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    That is odd for sure.
    9 months away to goto tender for phase two in 2026?
    Be interesting as car park will be reduced to 50 spaces for a week in October 2025 for the Underpass will there be focus on getting the #404 bus to actual service Oranmore Station? instead of just the Coast Road stop's?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,426 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Examples of it all over the shop with infrastructure in this country.

    We are doomed with traffic around Galway with the tardiness of ANY real enhancements to public transport improvements.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,737 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    You think that people could park in Oranmore village instead? I'm not sure there's a lot of spare capacity there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,374 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    Am thinking of the people in Oranmore who could get the #404 bus to the train station. Perhaps others will cycle directly to the Oranmore station?

    Hopefully during the works more bike stands will be added to increase the efficiency and capacity of the Oranmore station



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