Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

I'm not disturbed, I'm simply not surprised by the fact that an advocate for gun violence got killed in a violent gun attack. Is the world a better place for his death? Undoubtedly. Did I advocate for his death prior? No. Do I have any sympathy for him? Not one jot. You might think I'm disturbed but that's your problem to correct, not mine.

I think you need to relax the cacks, a bit. I don’t know about you. But I live in Ireland. I have no impact on American politics. I have no vote. American culture is not Irish culture even its most benign elements as such as “American Exceptionalism” are about as far removed from Irish culture you can get.

The only direct influence Trump has on Ireland (besides tariffs) is his golf course. When Trump eventually steps down. It is up to Americans to figure out the direction in which they want to go.

I feel sorry for the Americans two choices every four years (tweddle di and tweedle dum), lobbyists bribing and influencing with representatives. A country of 330m people with an electoral system not fit for purpose.

To be educated in America you need a lot of money, to have healthcare in America you need a lot of money, to stand for high office in America you need a lot of money.

Personally I am just thankful I don’t live in the “home of the brave and land of the free”. Let them at it it is their culture not ours.

Old Chuck was AOK with it.

Spare us the crocodile tears and hypocritical pearl clutching. I'm sure you don't even know the names Mark and Melissa Hortman.

No, he didnt.

Your post is laughable. The left are the cause of so much discourse in the U.S. Their message is clear. Everyone has to agree with their idealogy or else.

The constant call to arms by crazy lefties who go online every day and call for specific people to be murdered is endless.

And yet, in the aftermath of this shooting, it is the right and Kirks allies that are calling for more carnage.

Says something, doesn't it?

And you think I'm disturbed? Cos that's a whole mess of lies you've fallen for there.

I tried to look up the very first thing he was supposed to have said, which is "Gay people should be stoned to death"

I didn't find or get anything… so one presumes that its made up, and many of the other things he was meant to have said are either exaggerated, taken out of context or just lies in order to 'other' him.

But that is the deal these days, you define someone in a few soundbites (doesnt matter if its true or not…) so if they are murdered, then you are OK to feel good about it…

The very thing you guys are giving out about, that is the degeneration of the political discourse, is the very thing you are feeding. Ontop of all the misinformation you are consuming and spreading…

It is very clear that Trump will "use" this murder for his next political actions.

The Nazis operated in a similar fashion, - autocrats usually do.

Could be another raid on another city, like Chicago or something else, like further tarifs on something, more immigration raids, or something we don't know yet.

If that is genuinely from Medvedev's head and hand, I hope there are people here on the Trump side who can forward it the Trump and his MAGA band. The Left-wing liberal scum mention is a touch too far Trump-ish bot-like to be believable.

What are your thoughts on his belief that abortion is more evil than the holocaust?

Q. "You believe that abortion is worse than the holocasust?"
A: "They're both distinct evils with some similarities, the holocaust in some ways was far more evil, in terms of magnitude the abortion crime is more evil."
Follow up Q: "So you're comparing abortion to the holocaust?"
A: "Absolutely I am, in fact it's worse, it's worse!"

The lad wasn't even elected and they tried to kill him twice

I think this is meant to cater for the 'Gay people should be stoned to death" quote.

PatriotTakes 🇺🇸 on X: "While criticizing YouTuber Ms. Rachel for quoting “love your neighbor” to defend celebrating pride month, Charlie Kirk quoted a Bible verse used to justify stoning gay people “to death.” Kirk called the stoning verse, “God’s perfect law when it comes to sexual matters.” https://t.co/2b5oHQLmy3" / X

Gods perfect law "If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them".

I guess its open to interpretation whether CK indirectly said it, he didn't directly say it.

I have watched the odd video of him debating, not loads, but maybe 3 or 4, because to me, that is all you really need to know about the man and what he stands for.

To preface, I would disagree with the vast majority of what he was saying.

I would disagree with his overt social conservatism.
I would disagree with his views on American isolationism, especially when it came to Ukraine
I would disagree with his views on tariffs and the simplistic narrative of bringing back large scale manufacturing to the US.
I would disagree with his overly simplistic outlook on international affairs.
I would disagree with his views on climate change
(This is not an exhaustive list by the way..)

There would be times, though, I could share his viewpoint and agree.

But isn't that the point? The ability to be able to listen to someone who is willing to share their ideas, agree or disagree with them?

If your ideas can't handle being scrutinised under the spotlight, and debated vigorously and shared in the free marketplace of ideas, then perhaps your ideas are not all that to begin with?
One is free to 100% disagree with Charlie Kirk, but they are not free to murder him or someone else.

It doesn't matter who you are, Charlie Kirk, Shalmdan Rushdie, MLK or Pelosi, you are not allowed to murder someone whom you disagree, and if you feel any way 'good' at the idea of someone you disagree with being murdered, then you are also the problem.

What absolute bollocks.