Donald Trump the Megathread part II

No but why should anyone care or sympathise? Kirk wouldn't have so presumably his wife wouldn't. Their guns are safe so she'll just tell the kids not to worry the guns are still safe.

Theres a weird separation between those upset over Kirks death + the reaction to it and Kirks own beliefs and his reaction to shootings.

Trump will be calling Netanyahu for tips on how to react, he’s going to over react for sure

Oh right.

So reducing yourself to the level of your opponent, and revelling in the death of someone because of their political opinions is to be encouraged then.

kirk died for what he believed in, a true martyr for the cause.

I definitely have sympathy for him and his family. Shooting him is a disgusting act.

But tbf, to say he was disliked because he has different views is a simplification. It's more about the scaffolding that holds those views imo, the dishonesty and bad faith which are defining characteristics of how pro Trump supporters engage. A simple differing of honestly held beliefs was a reasonable description of the differences between right and left a couple of decades ago, but not so much today.

Anyway now isn't really the time for this because someone has just been shot and killed, RIP to him and his family.

Jesus you sound kind of sick. Im not happy he is dead but ive no sympathy. I cant stand the worth empathy, actually I think empathy is a made up new age term that does a lot of damage.

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The Rock has weighed in.

While I have sympathy for his family and would have preferred for this to not happen, to portray him as simply right leaning is rewriting history. When Paul Pelosi was attacked, he was literally smirking as he said a patriot should post the bail for the attacker. This was as part of him pushing a conspiracy theory that Pelosi was attacked by his gay lover. That's a person who was an extremist, not simply right leaning. He didn't show an ounce of sympathy for Pelosi, he literally manipulated his attack for his own goals.

“By the way, if some amazing patriot out there in San Francisco or the Bay Area wants to really be a midterm hero, someone should go and bail this guy out, I bet his bail’s like thirty or forty thousand bucks.” With a smirk, he added: “Bail him out and then go ask him some questions.”

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/charlie-kirk-bail-out-alleged-paul-pelosi-attacker-1234621493/

If it happened to an opponent of Kirks he'd likely laugh about it.

Wrong.

He was a vile human being who supported and celebrated violence when it happened to other people. The desperate attempt to pretend otherwise is pathetically transparent. Also, "right leaning conservative"? What is that? Conservatives are by definition right wing.

He never cared about the parents and siblings of children who are regularly slaughtered in American schools and he was happy to promote genocide in Gaza.

I don't see why you're pretending he was any kind of debater. All he did was debate the same way a pigeon played chess. He'd use whatever beloved right wing bad faith tactic was best, cut off whoever he was talking to and his team would post a video with words like "own" and "libtard" in the title. Pathetic that this is what gets called debate on the right IMO.

I believe in free speech and I think anyone should be able to speak without being threatened or worse. It's not for any of us to decide who should live and who should die but Kirk seemed to think that only his rights mattered and that children dying and genocide were all fine. Hence, it is impossible for me to sympathise.