Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

kirk died for what he believed in, a true martyr for the cause.

I definitely have sympathy for him and his family. Shooting him is a disgusting act.

But tbf, to say he was disliked because he has different views is a simplification. It's more about the scaffolding that holds those views imo, the dishonesty and bad faith which are defining characteristics of how pro Trump supporters engage. A simple differing of honestly held beliefs was a reasonable description of the differences between right and left a couple of decades ago, but not so much today.

Anyway now isn't really the time for this because someone has just been shot and killed, RIP to him and his family.

Jesus you sound kind of sick. Im not happy he is dead but ive no sympathy. I cant stand the worth empathy, actually I think empathy is a made up new age term that does a lot of damage.

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The Rock has weighed in.

While I have sympathy for his family and would have preferred for this to not happen, to portray him as simply right leaning is rewriting history. When Paul Pelosi was attacked, he was literally smirking as he said a patriot should post the bail for the attacker. This was as part of him pushing a conspiracy theory that Pelosi was attacked by his gay lover. That's a person who was an extremist, not simply right leaning. He didn't show an ounce of sympathy for Pelosi, he literally manipulated his attack for his own goals.

“By the way, if some amazing patriot out there in San Francisco or the Bay Area wants to really be a midterm hero, someone should go and bail this guy out, I bet his bail’s like thirty or forty thousand bucks.” With a smirk, he added: “Bail him out and then go ask him some questions.”

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/charlie-kirk-bail-out-alleged-paul-pelosi-attacker-1234621493/

If it happened to an opponent of Kirks he'd likely laugh about it.

Wrong.

He was a vile human being who supported and celebrated violence when it happened to other people. The desperate attempt to pretend otherwise is pathetically transparent. Also, "right leaning conservative"? What is that? Conservatives are by definition right wing.

He never cared about the parents and siblings of children who are regularly slaughtered in American schools and he was happy to promote genocide in Gaza.

I don't see why you're pretending he was any kind of debater. All he did was debate the same way a pigeon played chess. He'd use whatever beloved right wing bad faith tactic was best, cut off whoever he was talking to and his team would post a video with words like "own" and "libtard" in the title. Pathetic that this is what gets called debate on the right IMO.

I believe in free speech and I think anyone should be able to speak without being threatened or worse. It's not for any of us to decide who should live and who should die but Kirk seemed to think that only his rights mattered and that children dying and genocide were all fine. Hence, it is impossible for me to sympathise.

Find it a bit weird that you're trying to invent opinions from a poster to be outraged about. I think most here realise that his assassination is a bad thing.

He openly defended gun ownership after school shootings, he even said Americans already have the rights to healthcare…owning a gun.

Now, we will see more use his death as a way to mute the conversations around topics totally unrelated. It’ll add even more divisions, we’ve see some saying this is on the democrats and there is still a manhunt underway.

This would be a time for strong leadership. Instead, Trump posted an AI generated clip expressing his sadness…

Yeah absolutely - and the Charlie Kirk book- The MAGA Doctrine- will become their bible - I imagine it will go to the #1 best seller list and Trump will make it mandatory to be taught in schools- Trump will also push the Pope to make him a saint

"I can't stand the word empathy, actually. I think empathy is a made-up, new age term that — it does a lot of damage."

It's not real.

Just to be clear,I think his murder is awful. I sympathise with his family. But that doesn't change the fact that he was an attrocious person. I posted on the previous page where Paul Pelosi was attacked, Kirk was smirking and declaring the attacker should be bailed out by a patriot. This was all as part of a homophobic conspiracy theory him and others were pushing.

So people can view this as a terrible thing but it doesn't mean they have to rewrite his history into a guy with simply different views. He was egging on extremism for years.