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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 328 ✭✭somenergy


    The far right have done so much damage in the last 8 months and hit new highs of hiporacy with a leader who is a lying convicted felon and rapist who moans and whines is turning US into a fascist state supports Russia and Israel no sympathy here.

    Release the files as was promised



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,528 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    A lot.of lurkers on this thread are suddenly animated by any post that hints that Kirk contributed in some way shape or form to gun violence in the US,, or by any post that displays a general lack of sympathy.

    However, none call for gun control as a result, which would be a logical conclusion, none accept his overall role in gun violence over the years and absolutely not a solitary one was on here commenting on how awful the hammer attack was on Pelosi's husband, or the gunning down of the Democrats weeks ago, or the riots caused by Trump's direct actions and words.

    Seems to me some here aren't posting in food faith.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,189 ✭✭✭dogbert27


    Just when Trump appeared to be on the ropes with the release of the Epstein birthday book and Republicans beginning to show cracks in support a convenient assassination of a prominent MAGA voice but with now direct connections to Trumps cabinet happens.

    Within hours all Republican / MAGA voices and news outlets are blaming democrats and declaring war has begun. This, without the gunman being at the time found and identified and is still at large.

    This puts the democrats on the back foot defending themselves and will be used to try to shut them down. There will be some bullsxxxt executive order, the Charlie Kirk Order, that will put the National Guard in every blue state.

    This is Trump's America. Lacking in integrity and full of insanity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,528 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Meanwhile, Trump continues to show the world what an utterly disgusting and reprehend piece of **** he is...

    Trump: "For years those on the radical left have compared wonderful Americans like Charlie to Nazis. This kind of rhetoric is directly responsible for the terrorism that we're seeing in our country and it must stop right now. My administration will find each and every one of those who contributed to this atrocity and to other political violence, including the organizations that fund it and support it, as well as those who go after our judges and law enforcement officials."

    Anyone with the ability to think critically (a skill sadly lacking in the US these days) will notice the utter utter hypocrisy in talking about protecting judges and police officers, and the blatant use of this awful incident to excuse a further power grab.

    He is a thoroughly despicable human being.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,189 ✭✭✭dogbert27


    Before what happened with Charlie Kirk there were 47 school shootings in the US this year.

    Straight after the Charlie Kirk incident there was another shooting at a Colorado school / university with 3 to 4 people injured which isn't making the news due to the Charlie Kirk incident.

    By the end of the year there will be more than 1 school / university shooting every week of the year in the US and this is being treated as a normal part of that society.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭rogber


    He was very pro gun ownership? Then I'll spare my sympathy for someone else. You support that idiotic policy you can't complain if one day you're the victim of another idiot with weapons. Tough for the wife and kids, yes, but the wife is probably pro guns and pro Trump too, so knew the risks

    Post edited by rogber on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,515 ✭✭✭OneEightSeven
    MEGA - Make Éire Great Again


    George Floyd was a scumbag. He was a drug-user who broke into a woman's home and held a gun to her stomach, while his accomplices searched for drugs and money. This is what scumbags do.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,693 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    And therein lies the fundamental difference in our position. You believe that as the firearm has the designed effect of causing harm that it inherently must be bad regardless of any benefit. Yet an equally valid position is that it is a protective tool which has the regrettable frequent effect of killing people. Were there an equally effective, less lethal tool for the job, I would use that. I wager so would every police force around the world, including the Gardai of whom, if memory serves, one in three personnel are certified to carry a firearm if deemed necessary. Even in Japan, where violent crime rates are so low that if a Japanese policeman draws his weapon it is a remarkable event, they still carry a firearm. I doubt you would claim that police are armed because they want to kill people, there must be another reason. That reason is it is the best tool as yet invented for the job of protection. This is in the USian or Czech context. Countries like Finland or Cyprus have different priorities for civilian firearm ownership (though they are not entirely inapplicable to the US situation).

    We have a separate thread for firearms policy, school shootings, etc, if you wish to debate the moral merits or the statistics of the two positions, but I reject any position that there is no rational basis positive to firearms ownership. I think we need go no further on that matter here on this thread.

    Post edited by Manic Moran on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,374 ✭✭✭Jizique


    Serves his wife and kids right due to the fact that they are "pro Trump"? Is that really the depth to which you have sunk



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,785 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    I mean presumably she shared her husbands view that shootings were acceptable so long as the 2nd amendment is safe. A large number of Americans value their guns higher than life. She'll just buy another gun and be happy out again, thats the American way.

    Also says a lot that theres more uproar over Kirk than there was Sandy Hook.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,017 ✭✭✭Detritus70


    WHAT BENEFIT?!

    There is none! You are living in a violent third world country necessitating the need for a gun. That's not a benefit, that's living in some kind of post apocalyptic hellscape.

    It's just cosplaying as cowboys or Rambo for idiots. And any mentally deficient idiot can buy a gun at Walmart. A car is a necessity and you don't even have to own one because there are alternatives.

    Guns are like pickup trucks for most people. They absolutely do not need to own one. At best it's just dickless posturing at worst, well, we're seeing it right now. You can own a gun in Germany but any application for a gun with the reason "because I want one" gets turned down. Because anyone who wants to own a gun just cause should never be allowed to do so.

    Americans are like crack heads when it comes to guns. The US is a giant toddler as a country. It's just pitiful at this stage. Your country is on a very rapid decline and it looks like it's due to a massive mental health and educational crisis. And you guys are absolutely not interested in changing that so this will continue to happen and get worse.

    Here's my thoughts and prayers.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,166 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    His kids are 1 and 3 years old.

    They're pro having naps and bottles of milk at regular intervals.

    This has to be one of the most disgusting things I've seen written about this murder and there has been some beauts of posts on boards since the man died.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭rogber


    Nowhere did I say it serves them right. I'm against any kind of violence. But if you support a stupid policy like widespread gun ownership and then get killed by a nutter with a gun you really don't have any defence. It's not hard to understand. He was killed as a result of the kind of American stupidity he actively promoted, and anyone who married a guy like that almost certainly has the same views.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,153 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    gun worship by fools who will justify their fetish is the cause of all these deaths. They’ll hide behind their great lines about security and rights but it’s all horse ****. They love guns and people dying is a price they are willing to pay. Nothing will change they don’t care really.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,713 ✭✭✭The White Wolf


    Having slept on it, my position is the same. I am very sorry for his family, and the fact that his murder was broadcast to the world.

    Having said that, I'm just annoyed at how pointless this was, whatever the motivation of the shooter was and is, because we've already seen that this will only embolden the message Kirk and his ilk have spread.

    I believe that utter joke Lauren Boebert said something along the lines of silent prayers brings silent action, and it's obvious what message she is sending to the nutjobs on her side.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭ilkhanid


    Haven't we seen this already? Case in point; Melissa and mark Hortman

    Post edited by ilkhanid on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,249 ✭✭✭ledwithhedwith


    Well if she had the same views as her husband she can take some solace in the fact he was happy to die by a gun.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,785 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,382 ✭✭✭bloopy


    Wait a minute.

    Did Kirk shoot and kill people?

    Missed that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,166 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    What's that got to do with someone stating that his toddler children are probably Trump and gun rights nuts?

    Do you agree that those toddlers are big Trump and second ammendment supporters?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,249 ✭✭✭ledwithhedwith


    He had no sympathy for victims of gun violence , calling empathy weakness. Posters on here are merely acting the way Mr Kirk would have wanted. He was happy for there to be deaths from guns. Hopefully he included himself in his rhetoric as then he'd have seen his death as necessary. Im not aware if he shot or killed anyone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,140 ✭✭✭spacecoyote


    Im assuming that the conspiracy theories are also abounding on social media, that this is another false-flag type incident and that Charlie is the cost of giving Trump ammo to, 1, distract from the Epstein show, and 2, to justify higher levels of control and introduction of armed forces?

    Its really just a depressing indication of where life is at the moment.

    Right wing apologist gets killed, in essence, by the laws he so vigorously defends.

    People on one side say...we dont want to see people getting killed, but you reap what you sow

    People on the other side say...how dare you say such a thing, you lefties are the real problem (despite, if I've got my stats right), the largest cause of domestic terrorism in the US being right wing groups.

    No one wins, everyone gets more entrenched, and Trump gets his excuse to push more hateful rhetoric.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,014 ✭✭✭happyoutscan


    The worst thing about his death is it will further galvanize the morons that make up the Maga Cult.

    The day before 9/11…

    Hmmm…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,140 ✭✭✭spacecoyote


    Would be curious, if youre someone like Jordan Klepper, or any of the other media guys who attend the political events in the US, talking to the crowds, are you genuinely starting to feel nervy and worried about some retaliation from a conservative gun nut, getting some tit-for-tat revenge for Charlie



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,249 ✭✭✭ledwithhedwith




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,785 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    No but why should anyone care or sympathise? Kirk wouldn't have so presumably his wife wouldn't. Their guns are safe so she'll just tell the kids not to worry the guns are still safe.

    Theres a weird separation between those upset over Kirks death + the reaction to it and Kirks own beliefs and his reaction to shootings.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,248 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    I think AOC/Sanders should cancel their upcoming tour dates, some nutters are going to be looking for retribution.
    The shooter needs to be caught and maybe that might bring some calm to the situation/get some answers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,406 ✭✭✭mountain


    Trump will be calling Netanyahu for tips on how to react, he’s going to over react for sure



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 866 ✭✭✭reclose


    I’m glad I’m not that entrenched in culture/identity politics that I’m unable to have sympathy for someone being murdered in cold blood.

    I don’t agree with his views but that doesn’t make murder ok.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,382 ✭✭✭bloopy


    Oh right.

    So reducing yourself to the level of your opponent, and revelling in the death of someone because of their political opinions is to be encouraged then.



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