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Northern Ireland 2125?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,737 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    "Split between the two, you say"???? If there was a U.I., and SF were the biggest party, I know who would be doing the splitting and I know who get screwed. Just sayin'.

    A bit like the Jobs fair at the Foyle arena. The Foyle Arena was funded by the British government, directly and indirectly, and was a significant public project opened in 2015 at a cost of approximately £12 million. It was to have access for all. Yet the councillors stopped the armed serves of the British government having a stand at the jobs fair there.  



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,228 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    "Split between the two, you say"???? If there was a U.I., and SF were the biggest party, I know who would be doing the splitting and I know who get screwed. Just sayin'.

    Could be a Unionist party holding the balance of power.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,219 ✭✭✭itsacoolday


    Like in Derry. Sinn Fein hold 18 seats out of 40 I think. SDLP hold 10 seats. Dream on if you think Unionists could hold the balance of power there. The SDLP and SF do not even have the decency to move on and allow everyone in the constituency - not just their own followers - chat to their desired employers at the jobs fair.

    Unionists made NI a cold house for nationalists in the 1950s etc. Now nationalists are making NI a cold house for protestants. No excuse for either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,228 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Like in Derry. Sinn Fein hold 18 seats out of 40 I think. SDLP hold 10 seats. Dream on if you think Unionists could hold the balance of power there.

    Do you know what holding the balance of power is?




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 690 ✭✭✭michael-henry-mcivor


    Unionists give Nationalists nought-

    Unionists are Nationalists deputy-

    Being deputy is something-



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,219 ✭✭✭itsacoolday


    Sure do, and weak assurces of what may be in a best case scenario will not wash, when SF want to screw the PUL at every opportunity. As someone else mentioned the Foyle Arena was funded by the British government. It was to have access for all.  Yet the councillors stopped the armed services of the British government having a stand at the jobs fair there, in the building they themselves built and paid for.  



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,228 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    It has access for all.

    The Jobs Fair being held by the council doesn't though.

    *Taigs pay taxes too by the way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,219 ✭✭✭itsacoolday


    Unionists and neutrals pay taxes too, and are not allowed - by nationalists - chat to whoever they want to at the jobs fair.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,228 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    No, not this time because of the sensitivities of the location and the impending trial of one of the BA for heinous crimes in the city.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,219 ✭✭✭itsacoolday


    The time and the place is never right for northern nationalists / Republicans to give neutrals and unionists equal rights. You never have any interest in mentioning never mind calling for investigations in to any of the many heinous, pre-meditated crimes committed in the city by the paramilitary wing of the party you support.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,228 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    What ‘rights’ were denied?

    You don’t hsve a ‘right’ to a stall at a job fair.

    If the organisers say know that’s it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 690 ✭✭✭michael-henry-mcivor


    Ronnie O Sullivan snooker hero pictured at the Provo memorial in Milltown cemetery and at the Vol Bobby Sands painting outside a Sinn Féin office in Belfast today-

    English media will probably call him everything- but not a care he gives-



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,219 ✭✭✭itsacoolday


    You are right. Neutrals and unionists do not have a right to meet a state employer at a stand in a building paid for by the State if SF and SDLP do not approve. Neutrals and unionists do not have a right to keep existing, traditional street signage if 10% of the residents in an area want it replaced with signage giving more prominence to the Irish language than bi-lingual signs do here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,228 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Neutrals and unionists do not have a right to meet a state employer at a stand in a building paid for by the State if SF and SDLP do not approve

    Neutrals and unionists do not have a there is no right to meet a state employer at a stand in a building paid for by the State if SF and SDLP do not approve the body tasked with running the building decide by majority one person one vote in a non gerrymandered democratic council that an exhibitor is not, at a sensitive time in the city they represent, allowed to exhibit.

    Rights are enshrined in laws, and can only be watered down if a group seek to be appeased (see Irish Language appeasement of random residents in estates and streets)

    There are no laws or 'rights' concerning who exhibits at a jobs fair. There are laws concerning how councils are run and how decisions are made and 'rights' to be represented by those you gave a mandate to.

    How would you like decisions like this to be made in the future?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,219 ✭✭✭itsacoolday


    So that is your / SFs excuse for the majority in Derry now abusing their majority power and not giving rights to the minority, same as some unionists abused power in the past. Pity you cannot move on: most of the rest of us are not stuck in the past and having to go back over half a century to form a justification for discriminating on political grounds today.

    Why do you only want crimes investigated from one side over half a century ago and not from the other side?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,228 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Pity you cannot move on: most of the rest of us are not stuck in the past and having to go back over half a century to form a justification for discriminating on political grounds today.

    You need to say this to the people of Derry, not me.

    Would you say that - 'move on' to their faces?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,737 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Many there expect everyone else to move on, because they have shown no remorse for those many people murdered by the IRA in Derry and surrounding area, because they elect the party you support, S.F. , who say there was "no alternative". Even though the murders of most of those people eg the census collector, the human bomb Paddy Gillespie, etc etc was premeditated. At least the British have issued an apology for Bloody Sunday, for the actions of a handful of people (out of hundreds of thousands who served in N.I) who reacted when they probably believed they were under fire in a riot, and who did not want to be killed themselves like the other British soldier who died that day (who died in hospital after being injured by a sniper in a riot months previously after the crowds parted).

    Two sides to every story, but time to move on in the spirit of the GFA, treat everyone equally now. The prisoners were released and 200 Republicans got amnesty letters from Blair. It is a shame Nationalists are discriminating in Derry now same as Unionists did in the past.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,228 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    So, a few weeks before the ONLY soldier in 52 years to face justice for what happened in Derry, the people there 'should move on'?

    Absolutely bizarre request from posters who clearly only want to move on from British/Unionist/Loyalist atrocities.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,737 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Everyone who behaved outside the law should have faced justice. However you only want one side to face justice: the other side were all released from prison, and they got 200 amnesty letters, even though most of their crimes were premeditated and not possible acts of self defence in the heat of a riot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,228 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    the other side were all released from prison,

    Again, your knowledge of history shows deep deep flaws.

    Please research properly.

    A total of 428 pro-British Loyalist and pro-Irish Republican guerrillas were released early under the terms of the Good Friday Agreement.

    Prisoner Release: Northern Ireland Good Friday Agreement - Peace Accords Matrix

    'I' didn't release these prisoners, the British and Irish governments agreed to do that.

    'I' didn't sign letters of comfort, the British government (*throwing Unionists under the bus again?) signed those letters unknown to anybody else it seems, including the Irish government.

    *Similar to their lies to the Unionist community, that they would never 'negotiate with terrorists' we now know they were.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,737 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    I did not say "you" released prisoners or handed out 200 amnesty letters : I wrote "the other side were all released from prison, and they got 200 amnesty letters, even though most of their crimes were premeditated and not possible acts of self defence in the heat of a riot."

    You claim it was a war/ conflict. The State / security services caught and imprisoned thousands of paramilitaries ( both loyalist and republican) who were released from prison. In addition 200 amnesty letters were handed out.

    Yes people should move on at this stage: if you want murders investigated from the early seventies on one side then I have not heard you saying premeditated murders on the other side should be investigated? And there were plenty of people, inc innocent people, killed by the IRA in Derry. In fact I have hear you saying there was no alternative and pIRA murders achieved something. What, I do not know, as the line on map stayed the same from when the IRA was at the table in London in the early seventies demanding the line be moved or the bombs would continue. The bombs did continue but the line did not move.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,228 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Well maybe stop asking me to defend decisions taken by others??

    And NO, I would not ask the people of a city in which innocent people were mown down by state forces, awaiting the only trial of a BA member for that after 52 years of struggle, to 'move on'.
    I wouldn't ask any victims seeking justice to 'move on'.

    I would instead direct my anger at two governments who promised to address legacy issues in the GFA and ancillary agreements.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Your paragraph exposes the saddest reality of Northern Ireland.

    "The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which."

    And so it comes to pass in Northern Ireland with the interests of the ordinary people being subjugated to the sectarian bunfight between DUP and SF.

    Sinn Fein are on top at the moment and enforcing their sectarian view of the world on Derry. It is shameful.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    In other words, people can have the rights that you and Sinn Fein allow them to have, did I get it right?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,228 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    No.

    There is no 'right' enshrined anywhere I know to participation in a Jobs Fair.

    The were no rights infringed to either seek to join or to join the BA. Those avenues are all still open to whosoever wants to pursue them.



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    Didn’t you say that nobody had the right to “own” areas in NI when it came the Irish language signs controversy? Seems you have no problem with certain politicians pitching their tents in advance to stop any others “moving in”.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,228 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    No. I said nobody owns areas in NI or anywhere else. Never mentioned it was a 'right'.

    Nobody owns 'areas'.
    It is nobody's 'wee country'.

    The country belongs to all.



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    Would you say that - 'move on' to their faces?"

    Hold on a minute, weren't you challenged on the very same thing? What makes it suddenly ok to use it as an attack ploy?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,228 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    What 'attack ploy'?

    It is a question in a discussion thread.

    I answered the 'challenge' BTW.



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