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Presidential Election.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,566 ✭✭✭Economics101


    1. Her name is Humphreys, not Humpries

    2 Interference is not the appropriate term. For better or worse, Irish politicians routinely forward "representations" to the relevant authorities.. Not to do so runs the risk (especially in rural areas) of being branded as callous or indifferent to their constituents.

    3. The forwarded latter was not acted on, which was probably standard operating procedure, and there appears to have been ho follow-up enquiries from HH.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,713 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    He kept it up for close to a decade when managing one of the most hated sports teams in the history of the country so I imagine just being boring and saying nothing that will upset anyone will be easy peasy for him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,464 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    Humphreys' spokesperson said it wasn't a representation.

    The letter was acted on, the civil servant explicitly said it was.

    Margaret Whelan, a senior official, replied that the decision followed “representations made by Mr Wright’s family to Minister Humphreys which were referred to the secretary-general, who in turn referred the matter to Michael Sheahan for consideration”.

    https://www.thetimes.com/world/ireland-world/article/heather-humphreys-ireland-politics-fine-gael-animal-cruelty-f2x2q0jgx

    I think the letter said that the family had taken over control of his farm, it might have also mentioned personal circumstances of the farmer, so the department decided to drop it.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,464 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    Oh There was a very short Jim Gavin interview with Gavan Reilly on Virgin Media, you need a login https://play.virginmediatelevision.ie/watch/replay/19310978/the-tonight-show-tue-09-sep?play_position=1

    Mentioned last years referendums he was No, No,… Gaza, calls it genocide.

    Sean Dafoe also https://www.goloudplayer.com/episodes/jim-gavin-wins-presidential-bid--NDU0YmExOWI2MWNjNzg1YWY1Yzc2ZTU4NDliNmY2ZTA%3D more on his Let Me Explain podcast tmw

    Dafoe asked him if he was an FG voter, his answer was that he never endorsed a political party. So thats a yes.

    Yates and Sheehan dismissing chance of more Independents !

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,054 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    That's a very silly complaint - the duties of the President will be the same no matter who wins.

    Not everyone fancies flying over to Brussels/Strasbourg all the time, and there's nothing wrong with that.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭harryharry25


    The poor man is gonnna be destroyed on the debates

    Micheal wanted to speak for him but Jim said no and then said nothing



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    Pressure on martin now too. His body language during that interview was telling imo. Knows there are weaknesses and ready to jump in when he can see it's not going well or Gavin was floundering. What happens when Martin isn't there to babysit him?

    Definitely got the FF media training anyway...same hand waving and phrases as MM, Darragh O'Brien etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,195 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    Internal departmental records show the prosecution was proceeding as normal until a member of Humphreys’s staff passed the correspondence delivered to her by Wright’s associate to Gleeson’s office on January 25, triggering a review days later on January 28..

    Id say that's what you'd call the letterr being acted upon.

    People are not stupid and can read between the lines.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 11,498 Mod ✭✭✭✭squonk


    You missed my point. It was in relation to the political work that an MEP must do. It says to me he has no political interest and by extension no interest in scrutinisjngbwgdt he’s signing into law. Also, fine if he doesn’t want to go to Brussels every week but president is hardly stay at home job either. The job requires foreign travel. He also apparently wants to be a president for the people so it’d be expected he’d be active in travelling the country. Maybe he just wants to be president of Dublin and Dubs GAA events.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,464 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    So IT says his local FF TD is John Lahart, so thats Dublin South West, so that the choice of John Lahart vs Colm Brophy, or before that Charlie O'Connor (and Conor Lenihan) vs Brian Hayes... $ https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2025/09/09/inside-the-fianna-fail-presidential-vote-standing-ovations-thunderous-applause-and-tears/



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,586 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    LOL

    Running for President of Ireland not quite the same as managing a Gaelic football team.

    I noticed in the interview when he was asked about his poor poll numbers among females he started waffling about having a daughter and being familiar with social media. He also likes to refer to the Irish Defence Forces as Oglaigh which may be correct but most Irish will say eh? I expect a lot of the attention will be on his lack of political or legal experience. He's not off to a good start with a less than enthusiastic vote from the FF parliamentarians.

    All eyes will be on SF to see what they do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,713 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    I know it's not the same thing but it's very easy as President to just say nothing more than a few sound bytes.

    He doesn't have to make policy decisions, he doesn't have to run a ministry , he just has to be the states representative and make speeches, shake hands, that's all there really is to the job.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,586 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Fine if all people want is a sound bite President who shakes hands with dignitaries but the question is 'do they'?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 221 ✭✭tradfan1


    Gavin seems very bland, a sort of Fianna Fáil AI candidate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,713 ✭✭✭Jack Daw




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,586 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Like 'The Family and Care referendums' in March 2024 when 67% & 73% agreed with her and voted against the recommendations of all major Irish political parties?

    "In 2024, Steen campaigned against two proposed amendments to the Constitution of Ireland: the Thirty-ninth Amendment on the Family, which proposed to extend the constitutional definition of family to "other durable relationships" in addition to marriage, and the Fortieth Amendment, on Care, which proposed to remove references to women's "life within the home" and mothers' "duties in the home", and to add a new gender-neutral article on care within the family."

     

     "Both proposed amendments were comprehensively rejected, respectively by 67.7 and 73.9 percent of voters."

    Maria Steen - Wikipedia

    The Irish electorate may not be quite as 'gender neutral' as you like to think.

    I hope she gets a nomination but she may not. I'm for real diversity.

    All eyes on SF, will they nominate a candidate?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,586 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    If that's so then he's got a good chance of winning, Connolly's certain not to, but HH may get in because they'd prefer a woman and someone with political experience.

    But we will have to wait for SF to make up its mind before making firm predictions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,784 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    we will have to wait for SF to make up its mind before making firm predictions.

    Don't think we do. Mary Lou was the only one they had capable of winning or even going close.

    As thinks stand:

    • Another Liadh Ni Riada (John Finucane) goes out on the first count
    • A meh SF candidate (Rose Conway-Walsh) just about outpolls Connolly but goes out on the next count unless the FF-FG is weighted heavily one way or the other
    • SF's best bet (Michelle O'Neil or Pearse Doherty) gets down to the last two but finishes a distant second after Gavin transfers massively to Humphries or vice versa


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,054 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    You missed my point. It was in relation to the political work that an MEP must do.

    Whinging about the duties of the President, which will be the same regardless of who wins, is just silly.

    Ireland is a small country, travel within Ireland is no big deal. The Presidency doesn't require overseas travel anything like as frequently as being an MEP (and VVIP travel is oh so much less stressful)

    But, so what?

    He didn't apply to be an MEP.

    McAleese never did either.

    Hillery never did either.

    Shall I go on?

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,586 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    I think Michelle O'Neil would have a better chance than Pearse Doherty, more Presidential IMO.

    But this all speculation till they make up their mind(s).



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,584 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    And the turnout was incredibly low cause neither referendum grabbed the public in general. Meanwhile repeal the 8th and the same sex marriage referendum are considered landmark events in Irish history.... So nope, her campaigning on those are incredibly relevant.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 11,498 Mod ✭✭✭✭squonk


    You’re obsessed with travel. Travel doesn’t matter. It’s political work regardless of being here or in Brussels. He sounds like he doesn’t want do that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,054 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    At this stage there's no way are they going to throw a major figure like McDonald, O'Neill or Doherty under the bus in an election they can't win. It'll either be another sacrificial lamb or (looking more likely) a tepid endorsement of Connolly

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,766 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Remember the powers of the president are so limited that this is effectively a popularity contest and the winner will essentially have no effect on our daily lives

    At this moment my money is on Catherine Connolly being backed by SF and she will come second behind Heather Humphries. I don't think there's enough to get Connolly over the line, but her previous backing of marriage equality and repeal of the 8th will make her a popular choice for young voters. Young voters are, however, a minority in this country

    Outside of Dublin Jim Gavin is a nobody but FF need to make themselves relevant in Dublin again and this election might just help in that sense. They've effectively thrown this election to try and secure Dublin for upcoming meaningful elections. I can see Jims transfers mainly going to HH and that will be enough to get her over the line.

    On the flip side I think Maria Steen will make the ballot, I think she has a good chance of convincing the councils of roscommon and donegal over their stances on the previous and then it's 2 more needed. She could also go looking for Aontú and a few indie senators but I doubt she'd make it to 20

    Of course, everybody loves a good scandal and if one is brought to light about any candidate in the week before the election that could turn those predictions on their head. The current scandal of HH and the animal cruelty case is too early to make any impact and will be largely forgotten about by the 24th of October



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,054 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    I only mentioned travel as one reason why people would be put off becoming an MEP. It was very odd that you brought up MEP in the first place. Seems like a desperate casting around for a means to attack, tbh. You don't seem to like that he's from Dublin, either.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,586 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Well they may be considered 'landmark events' but the more recent amendment referendums 39th & 40th showed that the Irish people can't be taken for granted by the political elites and media.

    In their own way they were 'landmarks' too. Certainly they had an effect on government policy direction regarding 'social issues'.

    But this is a Presidential election and there's a possibility that an articulate independent might surprise the elite again, if given a chance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,784 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    her previous backing of marriage equality and repeal of the 8th will make her a popular choice for young voters.

    Surely those positions are pretty standard across the political spectrum nowadays? If Connolly had a long history of being outspoken on abortion rights that might earn her some brownie points but I'm not aware she does…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,586 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    If SF back Connolly they will struggle to make sense of that decision. Connolly is no doubt in favour of a UI but who isn't?

    I don't believe it would boost her campaign significantly and might even damage it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,584 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    The thing is plenty of people had reasons for voting against those referendums that didn't relate to the "social direction". Eg I have friends that voted against them that simply thought the wording was ill defined. They equally wouldn't ever vote for somebody who campaigned against marriage equality or repeal the 8th.

    You've basically decided that parts of her active campaigning in two landmark referendums will be ignored in spite of the fact that it's fresh in plenty of people's memories. Meanwhile you think recent but very low turnout referendums would sell them on her. Funnily enough even gaining support from the likes of Aontu has been a struggle because of her position on marriage equality.

    I'm fine with her getting a nomination btw but the fact she's struggling to secure the support of politicians that share many of her views is a pretty big sign of her not being half as popular as you think.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2025/09/06/presidential-hopeful-maria-steens-views-on-social-issues-could-alienate-potential-allies/



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,766 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    It isn't unusual for a political party to give the backing to somebody not in the party but of similar political views. Take Mary Robinsons support from the workers and green parties at the time or how democratic left backed Adi Roche in 1997

    The support of SF would be a huge boost to her campaign. Playing nicely with the other left wing parties is also beneficial from the POV of transfers in any upcoming elections for SF. If she polls well then it could be considered a shared win for the parties that nominated her. A shared win is better than a loss



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