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Presidential Election.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,466 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    Isnt that the point of requiring nominations, that they have genuine local support, not just Councillors trolling.

    I live in Fingal, particularly the LEA Im in none of them are going to vote in anyone else. I'll email the handful of Indos just in case.

    None of the councillors care what I think anyway, I don't have a relationship with them. They only listen to their kitchen cabinet and old biddies.

    You can look at the comments under the Laois Councillors who've pledged for Gareth Sheridan, their 'xenophobic' supporters are going wtf are you doing who is this guy, nominate Nick Delehanty!, yet they say they are going to nominate Sheridan….

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,586 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Would she really? That's just your opinion. She could be another Dana but apparently she's a highly educated and a very competent media performer from reports I read. She might surprise everyone including you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,252 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    It's based on the vote % that similar candidates got in the LEs and GE.

    Every single time there's been a social issues referendum, we've been told that some cohesive movement will form due to the large conservative vote. Every single time.

    You can even find the posts on here or politics.ie after the SSM referendum with people insisting that it'd happen; or after the Repeal referendum predicting that Aontu would take a seat in every constituency as there was enough votes for them. There were people making those claims in the media after the Divorce referendum in 1995.

    Every single time, nothing of the sort has occurred. It already has failed to happen from the 2024 ones; yet multiple people are still trying to bang the drum about it happening for Steen for some baffling reason.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,784 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    I think she will appeal to a certain sector of Irish society 

    The only measure of this that counts under our system is the ballot box. If there aren't sufficient numbers getting elected to Dail/Seanad/councils who agree with her views and genuinely believe she would make a good president she has no reason to expect the rest of our elected representatives to bend over backwards to accommodate her because there is a perception what she stands for is unrepresented in the presidential election.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,784 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Jim Gavin FTW apparently



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,584 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Her membership of the Iona Institute, views on same sex couples and abortion would become the focal point for her in debates. The vast majority of the Irish public don't share those views. So you can fantasize about her doing great but she simply wouldn't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,466 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    Dana got 2.9%



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,055 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    There's no point in getting into discussions about low turnout until the electoral registers are reformed and we have a unique nationwide key per voter, e.g. PPSN

    The amount of duplication on the registers makes turnout figures all but worthless.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭harryharry25


    1000026775.png

    Without Jim or anybody in FF talking about this photo

    Jim is the FF candidate for the presidential election 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,466 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,055 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Who let's face it was a lot more famous than Steen will ever be, was elected as an MEP, and doesn't have the obnoxious personality of Steen and is a lot less in-your-face despite her conservative views.

    She'd be lucky to get 2%. It's totally pointless putting people like that on the ballot.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,252 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    And that was with having been an actual politician before (MEP) and also it being her second go



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,586 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Well we already have SSM and regulated abortion, so I doubt either issue will figure to any significant extent in the upcoming Presidential election. The question of loosening the regulations on abortion might come up but then you might see her gather some votes on that. If so called trans-rights are raised then that could also play to her advantage.

    If she's a decent media performer and gets on the ballot I predict she will do a lot better than 2%, although I don't see her in the top three.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,035 ✭✭✭DmanDmythDledge


    I would imagine part of the reason for the low turnout was that the last election was more or less a foregone conclusion. I reckon the turnout will hit 60% this time around.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,584 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    It will though, as president she would also be representing those people she campaigned against. Basically she's a Christian fundamentalist and frankly most will have an issue with that.

    You say it won't factor in but Joanna Donnelly was asked about how she voted in the likes of the Lisbon treaty. Steen campaigned on behalf of a think tank with a pretty terrible reputation and you don't think that would be a discussion point? Both referendums are still pretty fresh in the public's memories and that's the reality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,586 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    There'll be lots of 'discussion points' but if you think 'how she voted on Lisbon' will exercise the average floating voter then you're deluded.

    'Christian fundamentalist' or 'practicing Catholic' depends on your view, some may not see any difference.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,252 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    You've been pushing the idea that the 2024 referendums are going to come up and create support for Steen, but claiming that other referendums won't…

    We have have the trans rights that the UK is scared to death of - self ID - for a decade here. Its as settled as same sex marriage. And regardless, it would be completely irrelevant in a Presidential campaign anyway.

    She won't be on the ballot. If she was, no amount of being a "decent media performer" would break her beyond the 2% or so vote there is for fundamentalist right-wingers; for that is what she is and what everyone will know she is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,584 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Fundamentalist, she campaigned to limit the rights of groups. I also know plenty of practicing Catholics that happily voted for both.

    Let's consider they're currently excavating Tuam, we continue to unearth fresh church scandals and presidents do speak on these issues, I'm confident she is not an appropriate person to ever speak on these issues. Mary McAleese was a practicing Catholic too but she also compassionately spoke of these issues. Meanwhile the Iona Institute frequently denied or misrepresented such issues.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,586 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    "You've been pushing the idea that the 2024 referendums are going to come up and create support for Steen, but claiming that other referendums won't…"

    My point on the Family referendum (2024) was that she campaigned on the winning side unlike most parties who are nominating candidates. No I don't think how she voted on Lisbon 2 (2009) will matter, the average floating voter won't be bothered IMO.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,252 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Your point is irrelevant, though. People at large do not - never have, never will - vote for politicians based on how they voted on social issue referendums.

    Steen has nothing to appeal to the mass public on; she is a right wing Christian fundamentalist and the vote for that is ~2%.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,584 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    How she campaigned on two far more important referendums would come up though…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,466 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    How many of their supporters did these 3 Councillors discuss Gareth Sheridan with before they publically pledged their vote to him? https://www.laoistoday.ie/2025/08/13/presidential-hopeful-gareth-sheridan-likely-to-receive-support-from-laois-county-council-for-aras-bid-the-the/

    They announced it the day he announced himself and he thanked them for the 'discretion'.

    https://www.independent.ie/regionals/kerry/tralee-news/courting-the-kingdom-gareth-sheridan-on-why-a-load-of-dubs-wont-influence-kerry/a1836670389.html

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,165 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake


    Laois was the only county council to endorse Gemma O'Doherty in 2018 when she was being deservedly ridiculed at every other council she showed up to, must be something in the water down there

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    A Presidential election is different. Some of those who agree with her but would vote FF or SF or FG in a general election because they are voting for a government would vote for her in a Presidential election. I doubt she would get to double figures but 8-9% is realistic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Surely that will help Gavin, giving him an appeal beyond traditional FF voters?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,252 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Dana, with a much higher profile, got less than 3%.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Different times. Sadly, the right-wing lunatics will latch on to her as well as the religious fanatics.

    They will get out to vote while the rest of the population will be lukewarm. It will be a false picture of support because of those factors, but that happens in elections.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,252 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Election results still show there is only a tiny localised support base for the far right.

    Anyway - she's not going to be on the ballot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,784 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    why are you talking about steen as though she is an actual candidate? SHES NOT GOING TO BE ON THE BALLOT!



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  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 11,498 Mod ✭✭✭✭squonk


    Gavin came across as an opportunist talking to David McCullogh just now. Seems like a guy with no strong opinion just interested in playing it safe and no political experience. Sounds like a dreadful choice.



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