Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

That area had tents for a little while ages ago. Mount street is a dead no mans land anyway. I think he'd be closing up with or without the ipas office there.

He lasted 16 years, something changed in the last 2 years, but its obviously closing because its off the beaten track.

Successful businesses are successful until they are not. And most of them blame someone else

current company was set up in late 2000 - so 5 years. Up to 2023 had just about broken even.

Funny thing is they state quite clearly that the refugees were NOT the cause of the closure, but more to do with the fencing.

So that sh1te rag gript was wrong - again

It really is easier to fool people than convince them theyve been fooled.

Yes, its all here: https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-pme/populationandmigrationestimatesapril2025/

But that doesnt really answer where the year on year tens of thousand NET migrants are going to live. That's the main issue.

Its been pointed out that many of the younger people leaving are living at home, so by leaving are not actually freeing up a housing unit.

You know things in Europe are getting bad when war monitor accounts start commenting on western European cities. We've made some massive mistakes with our immigration policy.

Your original post said 150,00 per year, It was 40% of that number. Argue form a position of accuracy.

I presented accurate facts and made no judgement one way or they other.

You presented inaccurate data yet drew a conclusion based on inaccurate data. Is the the net +60k per annum unsustainable. Very possibly, especially with factors like you discussed about some of the emigration from Ireland being people leaving home. So argue that position to begin with, not using inaccurate hyperbole.

I'd would argue that the whole mess is a consequence of an establishment that panders to the asset holding class and sees its priority as maintaining high asset inflation at all costs. So both maintaining scarcity while fostering high growth and increased labour demand. The elite need both to cream off the value created by others. This has caused a supply crunch when in reality the country has the space and the resources to deal with a population increase if we actually did infrastructure planning.

But instead elites are now fostering discord and creating an environment where misinformation drives division, thus distracting the ordinary people form the true cause of their problems. They are happy to see local populations vent against immigrants and happy to see immigrants retreat into insular enclaves because it means they will never see that the cause of both their issues are the same elites.

In Ireland these elites are the asset hoarding classes (note - not talking about someone who's family home has increased in value - another attempt at division is to try to get younger generations to blame older), but globally they are the holders of a wider class of productive, property and commodity assets, and they are the same people who ultimately are a significant cause of the push factor that drives migration from poorer countries. A financial imperialism that keeps people divided, locally and globally, while the fruits of ordinary individuals productivity are creamed of to the benefit of a few

I have no idea what he is. But he is a complete bullshít artist, see the tweet above for latest example.

On a side note if people are going to believe everything they read on twitter, that is fine. Not much can be done about that at this stage. But it would be just basic courtesy if they fact checked the claims before posting on here or spreading them at all.

Personally I would be mortified if I shared bullshít as fact.

Strictly speaking the Belgian Prime Minister would probably be considered right leaning, to say the least, so him taking questionable steps to tackle the immigration problem isn't all that surprising.
He's also staunchly pro-Israel so that doesn't really help matters either.

Looking at past experiences the CSO stats are only an estimate .

I have no idea how immigrants are blame for Child Poverty now. That's a new one.

But those living in poverty surveys are absolute nonsense. According to how they class poverty, I would be included.

Of the 11 items collected in SILC, ten are available in the Living in Ireland Survey which we use to construct a consistent measure of deprivation across the two surveys, with individuals classified as deprived if they are lacking two of the following ten items:

• Two pairs of strong shoes;

• A warm waterproof overcoat;

• New (not second-hand) clothes;

• Replacement of worn-out furniture;

• A meal with meat, chicken, fish (or vegetarian equivalent) every second day;

• A roast joint or its equivalent once a week;

• Home heating during the last year;

• Presents for family or friends at least once a year;

• Drinks or a meal for family or friends once a month;

• A morning, afternoon or evening of entertainment once a fortnight.

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If 4/5 of the country are hitting those targets, we are not doing too bad at all.

We would be far better off actually classifying poverty properly so we can help those who actually need it.

I have no idea how immigrants are blame

And of course you failed to read and understand my point, probably in bad faith. It's not the migrants, it's the government.

You may be ok with living frugal, or being forced to live frugal, but children should not. Ireland has one of the highest standards of living in the western world, all children of Ireland should afford new clothes and shoes. And fixing this was so simple when it could be fixed, and it's so simple to stop it from getting worse.

immigrants are not the cause of all ills in society

I never said they are.

Their very large number over the past few years is a significant factor, if not the main factor, behind the huge increase of housing costs, especially rent.

And also there are "ills in society" that are associated with migrants, especially migrants from a certain culture.