Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

just us - us lovely dippy dappy gullible but lovable Irish.

Experience required is the norm now for almost anything casual or temporal. It's basically shorthand for low cost migrant labour only.

Restaurants. You can do everything right and still fail.

COVID followed by eye sore tents .... There is only so much a negative bank account can take.

Must be gut wrenching after 16 years to close your doors ....

Hopefully they can all reinvent themselves somewhere else

read that, was gonna start a thread but just didn’t have any words. The owner though spoke very eloquently, very honestly and given the circumstances at hand now.. very bravely about what they have been put through.

Funny how businesses blame anything other than themselves when they fail.

Yet other businesses close to them survive.

When you see that the story is in the gript, you know it will be a very biased racist angle.

Why are they to blame ? The only other walk in business of any type on that street that I can see is a tiny little coffee shop that according to their menu is just doing soups, sandwiches and salads…. So will have a fraction of the overheads that a full blown Italian restaurant will have. Italian will have qualified chefs cooking, servers, maitre ‘D, and significantly higher energy costs…

The restaurant in question I’ve never been to but both TripAdvisor and Google have seriously positive reviews 4.5/5 & 4.6/5 respectively. A lot of customers taking opportunities to write in great enthusiastic detail what they like about it…

Yeah… right. Seems like a nice excuse to me. It will be lapped up by the usuals. I'm surprised they didn't throw in a gofundme as they'd have made a few quid like the grifters we see with their "buy me a coffee" links.

Net migration to year ending April 2025 was 59,700, compared to 79,300 in the previous 12 months.

Of the 125,000 people who came into the country during the 12 months, 31,500 were returning Irish.

Of the 65,600 people who left the country during the same period, about 34,500 were Irish.

The 12 months to end of April saw a 27% reduction in people coming to Ireland from outside the EU and UK.

Important to include accurate figures prior to drawing conclusions.

Couldn’t agree more. Things are always changing, and if you don’t adapt, you get left behind. The excuses some people come up with are downright laughable, and of course we then see only the usual far-right crowd buys into that nonsense. I wouldn't be surprised to see a gofundme.

The cso found that there was 170k extra people living here than previously thought earlier this year. Sure what's another 170k at this stage, the more the merrier!

It stands to reason that markets change, and that restaurants need to be responsive to market demands.

That said, have any of you been in the area over the last 2 years? Their business was literally surrounded by tents and barricades. They weren't erected and removed for weekends or to facilitate bookings or something, they were a 24/7 fixture for more than a year. The lane by their restaurant was used as a toilet by hundreds of people, all day every day. That's not to mention the crowds, drugs, protests, press, Gardaí, and so on. The area was intimidating at times during the day, nevermind at night.

You can't adapt to that and I'm surprised they lasted as long as they did.

In the 2022 Census the data found a total population of 5,149,139. This was conducted on 3rd of April.

CSO data published in 2023 found in the 12 months to April 2023 net migration of 77,600

CSO data published in 2024 found in the 12 months to April 2024 net migration of 79,300

CSO data published in 2025 found in the 12 months to April 2025 net migration of 59,700

Births and Deaths data shows about 20,000 per year in natural growth.

So that's a total of 275,000 since the last census. Giving a total estimate population of approx 5.42 million.

The latest CSO population estimate is 5.45million. Where is the extra 170k?

As there is continuous data from the last census and its consistent with measured growth, it is more likely that someone has just taken the last census population and subtracted it from some more recent estimate and stated that "people were found"

There is in fact a significant decline in immigration, especially non EU/UK.

Even Gript have acknowledged it. Many of their readers probably never got to that part of the article though as its near the bottom.

https://gript.ie/cso-15-of-the-population-now-aged-65-and-over/

try not believing every word printed by the gript.

Do a little fact checking. tents were an issue for a few weeks. - And quite a while ago.

Its not for a council to make changes for a business.

The barriers erected simply prevent tents being erected - very easy to walk the paths.

Why didn't they promote collection? - Barely a mention it on their website or on socials. Why did they not offer a delivery option?

btw their accounts show that things have not been going well for a while - long before the few weeks of tents back in April 2024. 2023 accounts still not formalised.

But sure - not their fault