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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,850 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Lucky they struck a deal before they deported them to some third world country or maybe even North Korea.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,617 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    I know they are imbeciles in the White House, but picking a fight with the Koreans, when you've got tens of thousands of troops stationed in numerous bases there, and which are also probably the closest they have to China and Eastern Russia, just smacks of real Wtf-are-yous-at???

    Post edited by retalivity on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,330 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    It seems the raided plant is one under construction next to an existing Hyundai plant on a site totalling nearly 3,000 acres in size. it seems the plant is estimated to cost U.S $7.6Billion to build and add to the local economy. The eventual cost in trust and work relationship over the build-time could be harmful. This photo is supposed to have been taken at the site.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,406 ✭✭✭mountain


    wonder what the South Korean government did, promised to donate a plane, build Trump resort, ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,132 ✭✭✭Stanley 1


    Should be good crack, 7.00 p.m., Sky Sports main channel.

    Wonder if Melania will show up with in the forlorn hope the crowd might ease off.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 263 ✭✭Maxface


    He really is speed running the decent reputation the USA had over the world. People mobbed the streets to see JFK here, Obama and even more recently, Biden. Isn't there a petrol station named after Obama or something. This guy though, not welcome here, would for sure be protested against, same in UK in most parts, most of Europe including the Scandic countries and Iceland, Australia and New Zealand wouldn't be there with open arms. Such a fall, all that soft power has been replaced with threats, and very reflective in his upbringing, the belief that you need to crush the other person in a deal. Even in his own country, the tennis association has warned broadcasters not to televise the expected boo's. I mean, any sane person would reflect, 'Am I the bad guy?'. Reason 128 that he wants the USA to become a despotic nation, so he can threaten those that boo him with death. I have always wondered how countries turn from democratic to ruled by one, and wondered how the people let it happen, but you can see here quite clearly how it was set up, how it can happen and how little people do in the face of it, until inevitably it is too late.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,405 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    40 minute delay due to heightened security around the stadium.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,098 ✭✭✭✭kowloon




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,330 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,542 ✭✭✭Billy Mays


    Have they made a replica trophy for the silly w@nker to take home?

    Match starting and hundreds still outside trying to get in 🤦‍♂️



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,697 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Go back further.

    A quick google indicates an operation on food packing plants in MS detaining 680 during his previous term. But why does the number matter? If law enforcement find people working unlawfully, do folks suggest they should be left alone if there are a lot of them?

    Though sometimes I do get a bit frustrated when it seems to me I’m the one most likely to research and follow links (why am I doing the quick google?), I don’t think I’m the “only adult in the room”. I do, however, take the time to express my opinion from my perspective to help you understand it.

    Perhaps this will help.

    I suspect that most folks on this thread are consequentialists. Nothing wrong with that, it’s a perfectly valid and accepted ethical basis. I just don’t think it’s a great way to run a railroad. I have a more deontological bent which I’m not sure is being as willingly accepted by many on this thread. These two rather famous quotes seem applicable.

    “We are a nation of laws”

    “Elections have consequences”

    Every government will do things of which we as individuals approve and disapprove, it comes with being the party which won the election. Many of you have the moral outrage bit well covered. I have tried to separate my opinion on the wisdom of things (a political question) with the position that there are set authorities, mechanisms and boundaries which have served the US fairly well over a pretty reasonable length of time (even if you keep that date to just post-reconstruction or even post New Deal, both of which were periods which changed the fundamental nature of the US more than anything Trump has been doing). Two obvious examples have been my opinion on the merits of the use of the military in civilian law enforcement roles and the position on the Ukraine conflict. To paraphrase another famous quote, “I may disagree with what you have as a policy, but I’ll defend to the death you right to have it”.

    Despite the Cassandras on this thread, I have seen nothing to indicate that ultimately the rules of law, and of representative democracies are not going to survive the next three years. I’m well aware to the damage being done to the economy and the US’s political standing, but its what we as a country voted for, so it’s what we are going to get.

    If you wish, I can cease posting on this thread and you can have your echo chamber, or I can hang around and you can continue with your holier-than-thou attitudes of belittling and insults which I have taken in good humour (have I ever, once, cast aspersions on others on this thread due to their attitudes? If there is anything else to make me feel like the adult in the room, that is probably it) if it makes you feel better to continue such.

    Or, and here’s a radical concept for a discussion board… You can continue to allow my posting in good faith so that you have another perspective on things and some greater understanding as to how other people think of things and why we are in the position we are in right now. There is about a zero percent chance that we will convince each other of the correctness of our positions, but we can at least understand the what and why of them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,576 ✭✭✭spakman


    Sky Sports said he was booed at the US Open tennis men's final.

    it didn't actually show Trump or the booing, or else I missed it....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,725 ✭✭✭swiwi_


    you missed it because all the people booing were still queuing outside to get into the centre court…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,576 ✭✭✭spakman


    As long as the oompa loompa has his bucket of diet coke and a few cheeseburgers, that's all that matters



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,539 ✭✭✭✭fullstop


    I already did. Your previous post was;

    “I have to say, I would be would be more comfortable with this incident if reporting indicated whether they were given an option to surrender or abandon before lethal force was used”

    To the best of my knowledge, they still haven’t clarified that point, so it still stands. Do you agree with the policy of dropping missiles on ‘suspected’ drug smugglers?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,039 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    A quick google indicates an operation on food packing plants in MS detaining 680 during his previous term. But why does the number matter? If law enforcement find people working unlawfully, do folks suggest they should be left alone if there are a lot of them?

    I don't particularly have an issue with enforcement, but the manner in which it was done seems incredibly unnecessary no? Why on earth are they putting them all in arm and leg restraints for example? And given the nature of the issue, it is fairly clear it is focused on the plant itself and not random Koreans trying to do anything they can to work illegally - so you could have handled it by focusing on the management for example.

    Everything about it was done for show, and the show is going to be incredibly damaging for the US in the long run I suspect. Though you are obviously right that this is ultimately what people voted for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,086 ✭✭✭nachouser


    It's the land of the free, and the home of the brave. Unless, under Trump; you're not white; or you're female; or disabled; or poor; or want an abortion; or work in education; or work in national parks; or work in parts of the federal government that he doesn't like. I mean it *just* goes on and on.

    This just isn't stuff a President should be caring about while he's tanking the economy for personal grudges while simultaneously making himself rich with crypto grift nonsense.

    But, sure, its all good. Something happened back 150 years ago to make it a-ok. The Founding Fathers etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,330 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    It's possibly that most of the posters here differences with you may be formulated around the fact that those people who voted for Trump to be president did so for the 2nd and 3rd time despite the guff he gave out about his opponent in the run up to his 1st election and his continuation of the same during the other two though she was not running against him then. He transferred his feelings onto Biden instead for runs 2 and 3. Trump's style of politics is unconstitutional, period.

    A lot of the adults here are more than perturbed at that, that the U.S voters to a great extent seem to have ignored the fact that he's a bluffer and voted for him merely because they dislike the party of his opponent ignoring the fact that Trump is far worse than Biden was in office. Whatever about Cassandra, giving Trump the keys to the White House again was like giving him the keys to Pandora's box knowing he would not keep his "I'll do this" electoral claims. He's been in so many peoples pockets now for a time before his presidencies began, borrowing from Peter to pay Paul, he can't find a dime to give them.

    Trump, as well as performing the same routine now for years, has added insult to injury as far as a lot of people are concerned by placing himself on a higher plane than the U.S constitution, that he clearly doesn't give diddly squat about it. It's the obeisance that he's been given by the constitutionalists in the U.S with statements that they have to comply with what it contains where the oath of fealty to it is concerned. That has been shown to be B/S. Trump has no loyalty to it whatsoever and has been engaged in suborning the constitutionalists in Washington in plain sight of everyone. The "we are a nation of laws" - "elections have consequences" mean absolutely nothing to him and lots of his voters knew that to be true.

    In other constitutionalist countries around the world, people with the track record like Trump's would not be allowed within parliament, let alone the presidency or premiership. The continued failure of adult voters in the U.S to deal with Trump, to kick him out of party politics is inexcusable. If voting is not permissible against him, then use the vote to expel his friends in your parliament so he can be deposed legally in lime with the U.S constitution. Words are not enough any more, action is required.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,534 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    You're absolutely entitled to your option and you're absolutely entitled to post it.

    You might believe this to be an echo chamber, but that's because it would appear most of us here see what is happening.

    And it is summed up here...

    "I have seen nothing to indicate that ultimately the rules of law, and of representative democracies are not going to survive the next three years."

    The fact that you can't or won't see it is certainly the source of my frustration. I can't speak for others.

    You believe all will be well. I think those outside your bubble see the opposite.

    That difference in opinion would be fine, but for the fact that.. unfortunately, if it isn't okay for you, it won't be okay for the rest of us.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,880 ✭✭✭threeball


    Its like a trojan horse having American troops in Poland. Theyre more likely to do Russias bidding than NATO's



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,711 ✭✭✭kyote00


    I was under the impression (from newspaper I read this morning) that most of those detained were legally there - on business work visas - provided mgt, logistics and technical expertise on how Hyundai wants the EV plant built….
    this is a massive own goal by the MAGA numb skulls .
    Arresting people - for political gain - is the hallmark of many historical fascist leaders, communism regimes and other tin pot countries.
    It is hard to find another example of a country in such fast decline - and continuing to accelerate.

    as the locals might say - ‘all gas , no brakes’



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,039 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I think most of them were there on visas (or via the visa waiver) that did not allow them to engage in the kind of work they were found to be involved in. I can go visit my office in the US to have meetings under the VWP but I cant go there to just work my normal job from the office for a month for example.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,711 ✭✭✭kyote00


    I do have a little inside knowledge on this . It was h1 visas- a chunk of the people arrested were on. I regularly (used) to travel there on same for commissioning of high tension power distribution systems….

    Ps By there , I do mean that exact sister plant - but perhaps travelling as a white Irish people is different than a brown /asian person



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,098 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    A quick google indicates an operation on food packing plants in MS detaining 680 during his previous term. But why does the number matter? If law enforcement find people working unlawfully, do folks suggest they should be left alone if there are a lot of them?

    I was actually just curious if there was a record. It's a lot of people to detain all at once; the logistics behind moving and processing so many people at once must be pretty involved. How often could ICE run an operation like this? They can't arrest people faster than they can process and deport them unless they're willing to allow some pretty inhumane conditions to develop.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,039 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Fair enough. H1B visas? Are you sure? Cause they are super limited and distribution is essentially random so I'd be surprised. They are not for temporary work assignments. Sounds more like a H2B?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,711 ✭✭✭kyote00


    most of the technical people were very specialised in EE, Chemistry and Physics - deep tech experts in the design, setup and install of heavy industrial electrical systems. In general- people I worked with were H1b

    Mr T wants everyone back on the ‘spinning jenny’ and probably thought these ‘folks’ were not needed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,330 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    In other news, price inflation hasn't gone away in the U.S. It seems the price of eggs, Trump will just love this, has gone up 16% and beef 12% according to CNN.

    He's still after the Nobel Peace prize, claiming that Israel has accepted the ceasefire terms and he wants Hamas to do so as well, possibly so that he can tell the world he's ended another war while Israel's Govt is informing the world that it has just blown up it's third high-rise building in Gaza city.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,850 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Trump won't give a ****, he'll say the price of eggs and beef are at an all time low and the media (by and large) will not question it.

    https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/us/us-turns-to-russia-for-chicken-eggs-for-the-first-time-in-32-years-despite-sanctions-to-cripple-its-economy/articleshow/123726523.cms?from=mdr

    I'd say it's mental Trump never placed tariffs on Russia, but it's Trump we're talking about.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,039 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    There is an annual cap of 65k on H1B visas and its wildly oversubscribed. People dont come over to commission plants on H1 visas. Nearly 1% of all H1 visas for the year are not going to have gone to one plant.

    If they were on H1 visas they wouldn't have been working illegally also. They were almost certainly on visiting worker visas that didnt allow them to engage directly in what they were doing.

    Its still a diplomatic shitshow and unnecessary but them being on h1 visas makes no sense



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,330 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    It seems he's angered enough over the latest missile attack on Kyiv by Putin's War Dept to threaten to increase the sanctions his Admin has on Russia. Roll on the 2 week TACO in about a day or so.

    I'm waiting for him to claim on Truth Social that he was so loved last night at the tennis that the umpire started calling out to people there to love him "love 15, love 30 etc"…



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