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Presidential Election 2025

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,657 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Ridiculous post. The reasons FF got destroyed in 2011 are obvious, and nothing whatsoever to do with the presidency. Same with Labour.

    You keep mentioning that FG have yet to win the presidency (although got within a whisker in 1966), but oddly never mention that SF have never been close to being in contention for it and their result last time was a complete embarrassment for the largest opposition party.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,657 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    I've had a look at that guy's website, he's a lunatic.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,657 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    The desperation is entirely among those who think Steen is a credible candidate.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,657 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    This is ludicrous nonense. It is not undermining anything. I don't want councillors I vote for to enable lunatics and fascists get on the ballot, when I vote for a party I expect its elected officials to follow party policy. If they just do whatever they feel like, they got elected under false pretences.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,821 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,395 ✭✭✭jmcc


    The Sindo can be very underated and sometimes with good reason. It has got some scoops in the past and some of its journalists are quite good. Niamh Horan tracked Brian Cowen down to his holiday caravan in the West when the economy was imploding. The Sindo also got the story on the fake tweet in the 2011 GE that gave the election to Higgins.

    Gavin was being metioned on Politics.ie a while ago too. He still looks like a second choice candidate. Perhaps a genuine celebrity candidate turned down running for FF as McGuinness was too strong a candidate. When McGuiness dropped out, FF reverted to Plan B.

    The Sindo/Ireland Thinks opinion poll does look like the support for the candidates is siloed on a party basis. The Don't Know % is so high that it makes it unreliable for predictions and we are still far enough away from the election for the %s to change dramatically. There's also the unknown factor with SF not having a candidate in the election. The winner will be the candidate who manages to appeal to floating voters outside the candidate's party support. Gavin, at the moment, is best placed for that. FG had the opportunity with Kelly who has proven ability in that respect. Instead it went for Humphreys and she is popular in FG. FG is still afflicted with the soup and forks problem.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,657 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Ah, the old "we never wanted it anyway" defence from SF.

    Their candidate last time was a joke - remains to be seen who if anyone they'll throw under the bus this time.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,880 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Just listening back to Anton Savage show and he had Nick Delahanty and Gareth Sheridan on. Both made points of listing specific constitutional articles to show they're so clever. But absolute gombeens the 2 of them. If the nomination process was so bad, why didn't they raise it 2 years ago to fix it?

    Also, one thing the FF and FG councillors could do to shut up comments about democracy, get them to nominate their candidate. So have the FG councillors nominate Heather Humphreys and the FF councillors nominate whichever of their candidates gets the nod.

    Or is that not democracy either?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,657 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    That is a disastrous result for Mary Lou. No hope of becoming Taoiseach, and 35% means no hope of becoming President either.

    Among Shinners voters:

    Mary Lou 35%
    Adams 15%

    Even most SF voters don't want her to be President. She won't see out the year at this rate.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,117 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    Unless they dont vote, is that part of this poll, how many will actually vote?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,395 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Steen may get votes from a small conservative demogaphic. The way that FG is trying to keep her and other independents off the ballot paper may be seen by the electorate as a move by a third place party that is uncertain about the popularity of its own candidate.

    FG's campaign got Bidenised when McGuinness dropped out on health grounds and Humphreys is the Kamala Harris of this election. Steen would probably not win unless there is a massive vote to punish FF/FG. And that vote would be more likely to go to an SF candidate or Connolly. FG, on current polling, is more likely to provide transfer votes to Gavin.

    Since 2011 when FF was only on 20 seats an electorally toxic, its resurrection has been at the expense of FG In that time, FG lost half of its 2011 Dail seats (76 to 38). And it might even lose the presidency to FF after starting out with a poll-topping candidate. Instead, FG is trying to keep independents off the ballot paper while FF plans on getting its candidate into the Aras.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,117 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,395 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Not sure that there is a likelihood to vote question in the Sindo/Ireland Thinks poll. The 2018 election only had a 43.9% turnout, I think. The only want that a government endorsed candidate like Higgins ciould have won is in a lacklustre campaign with bland candidates and a low turnout.

    It may also be too early for a likelihood to vote question because people really only make up their minds in the last few weeks of the campaign. Possibly half of the DKs may not vote. The Ireland Thinks methodology is panel based as is RedC's methodology. It would be necessary to compare the DK % the results of the Irish Times/Ipsos-B&A poll which uses face to face polling to get a better idea.As a rule of thumb, Ireland Thinks and RedC poll results resemble each other and Ipsos-B&A tend to differ.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,395 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Gaza is not an Irish election issue. It has also been around 3% in the Irish Times Sentiment Analysis polls.

    On that basis, Connolly's support may be an indication of the Left vote without an SF candidate. It is also a problem for Humplheys and FG in that a combined Left vote may be larger than the support for FG. That could point to a long-term decline for FG and FG has lost 50% of its Dail seats since 2011. A realignment along a traditional Left/Right axis seems to have been underway for the last few years and it has forced FF and FG to go into government together. The SocDems, PBP and even the slightly Left Labour (there are some who would not be out of place in FF or FG) are cooperating. There was a combined Left when the Dail CC was an issue.

    The Left has been fragmented in Ireland and a presidential election may be a more realistic view of the size of the Left vote.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,395 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Martin McGuinness got over twice the votes of FG's Gay Mitchell in 2011. In 2018, SF ran Ni Riada and it was the correct thing to do because otherwise it would have been a coronation of the government endorsed candidate, Higgins.

    SF was also movintg towards the centre Left at the time and Ni Riada would not have been out of place as a Labour candidate. SF started to shift towards the centre Left when MLMcD became leader. Labour and FF had abandoned the centre Left part of the political spectrum. Even though Labour's supporters in the media expected a resurrection of Labour in the subsequent GE, it didn't happen. SF had to run a candidate in 2018 certain in the knowledge that its candidate would not win. FG, with a better candidate, might have won in 2011. Instead, it chose Gay Mitchell and the rest is history. In 88 years, FG has never won the presidency. Even Labour won it twice.

    FG should have run a candidate in 2018 as it would have shown the electorate that it was still a major party. Instead, it gave a clear run to SF and that paid off with the 2020 GE when SF beat FG into third place.SF also beat FG in 2024. With McGuinness, FG had a strong candidate. With Humphreys, there is the risk that an SF candidate could poll better and Humphreys' votes could be nothing more than transfer fodder for the FF's candidate.

    Could SF's candidate outpoll Humphreys? It is something that must be giving FG supporters nightmares. If it happens, it might even be used to effect a long overdue regime change in FG.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,794 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    No, the first headline in the indo on 25th of Aug I think. Its in the thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,634 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    FG is trying to keep her and other independents off the ballot paper may be seen by the electorate as a move by a third place party that is uncertain about the popularity of its own candidate.

    And how would similar moves by SF (highly likely) and FF (virtually certain) be seen by the electorate?

    FG is trying to keep independents off the ballot paper while FF plans on getting its candidate into the Aras.

    So if FF also instructed its councilors not to facilitate independent candidates, would that mean it had also given up on getting its candidate elected?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,117 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    Oh well, that was obviously a well sourced scoop, only those who didnt know his day jobs, dismissed it.

    Here is a sports writer and friend who proposed his entry into politics but didnt aim high enough!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,395 ✭✭✭jmcc


    If SF did it, it would be seen by the electorate as a sign of weakness. FF tried to stop by-elections when Cowen was leader. It built up resentment against FF. Attempting to limit candidates is not a good thing because the less supported candidates would be filtered out in the voting process. FG is a weakening party and the Irish Times/Ipsos-B&A poll had it around 17% in its last poll. FG needs to be convincing voters to vote for Humphreys not trying to exclude voters.

    FG's last two "leaders" have been disasters for the party. Varadkar led FG to one of its worst GE defeats ever. Harris wasn't even elected leader. FF probably can't believe its luck as it gains support and seats from FG. If FF still has some of its populist instincts, it will not follow FG's move and welcome the opportunity to contest the election with independents because some of them might give lower preferences to the FF candidate. Beyond the party supporters, it is all about transfers. Reducing the possibility of transfers is stupid.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,068 ✭✭✭An Claidheamh


    True,

    but if MLMD runs, I cannot see Gavin engaging in the mud slinging the terrible twosome of FF/FG are known for and if he does, he will lose respect amongst the GAA heads (certainly Dublin GAA heads) for being a sell out.

    MLMD is wild be well able to defend herself and debate the crap out of them, all three of them in fact.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭harryharry25


    I don't think Gavin would go down that route no matter who the SF candidate is

    Not only a large section of Dublin GAA fans would he piss off, he would piss of GAA fans across the country north and south, and he's not that stupid



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,634 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Plus as a chivalrous military man he'd be reluctant to go down that road against female opponents, especially as he knows he has an unfair advantage in not having a political track record to defend..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,068 ✭✭✭An Claidheamh


    Delahunty is just after a career in trolling/grifting/Ian O’Doherty-type contributor to daytime chat shows, however it is rather strange what game Sheridan is playing.


    He reminds me of this guy, who was promoted a lot in 2011 - then disappeared.

    https://irishelectionliterature.com/tag/dylan-haskins/


    Surely, if Sheridan is so smart and successful he could read the room, or even look into what the Presidency is and how to become one?

    How did he think he could be nominated or that people would vote for, in political terms, a stranger?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,395 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Gavin would have to appear presidential. Attacking MLMcD (if she is the SF candidate) like Martin does would be counter-productive with female voters. The GE leaders debate appeared to be two creepy old men picking on a woman. He would have to play things carefully and not appear to be a bully. Most voters will never meet Gavin in person so how he appears in the broacast media will influence how voters think about him.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,068 ✭✭✭An Claidheamh


    I would think so, but he would be forced in camera opportunities to stand beside MM silently, as the latter does.

    His PR people may even advise it, it has been FF strategy for 20 years.

    It certainly would be picked up upon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,395 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Just on that council vote issue, if FF follows FG, SF would have an opportunity to "stand up for democracy" in allowing its councillors to vote for independent candidates and spin things against FF/FG. Whether it will seize the opportunity for transfers is another question. Of course, it depends on what FF does next.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭harryharry25


    FF or (silent) Jim still havnt commented on the picture of him with Emer Higgins

    John Lee of the mail reporting nobody from FF will talk about it on record



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,568 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    If FF FG don’t learn the lesson of not declaring too early they are fools tbh. It’s a bit comedy of errors watching tge shenanigans this last week or two. You’d have to wonder at the sense of it. Can’t see an upside tbh



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,117 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    This was a mistake by Emer Higgins. Its an image entirely of her creation. She had that photo as her profile and then added two! overlays… She should explain and apologise for it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭harryharry25


    Oh I totally agree but I'm surprised FF are not out in public stating this fact

    I can't see FG and Emer talking about it at all. Why would they, they have an election to try and win



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