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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,040 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    It's not aspirin, its paracetamol/acetaminophen. Im not "backing" anything. I just said that I had heard about the link before and posted one of the studies, there have been several. I didn't even know anything about what he had said about it when I replied to that post.

    Also, that's not really the conclusion if you read the link that I posted to the most recent analyis from Harvard. They state that:


    The researchers analyzed results from 46 previous studies—representing data from over 100,000 participants—that investigated the potential link between prenatal acetaminophen use and subsequent NDDs in children. The researchers used the Navigation Guide Systematic Review methodology—a gold-standard framework for synthesizing and evaluating environmental health data—which enabled them to conduct a rigorous, comprehensive analysis that supported evidence of an association between acetaminophen exposure during pregnancy and increased incidence of NDDs.

    The researchers noted that while steps should be taken to limit acetaminophen use, the drug is important for treating maternal fever and pain, which can also harm children. “We recommend judicious acetaminophen use—lowest effective dose, shortest duration—under medical guidance, tailored to individual risk-benefit assessments, rather than a broad limitation,” they wrote.

    Does that mean that paracetamol is "the" cause of autism? obviously not, but to just write it off and ridicule it because someone you dont like drew attention to it is also stupid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,534 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Trump was an FBI informant on a Democratic hoax....

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,652 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    That was a typo for the record, I had aspirin in my head accidentally. My point stands though. The study doesn't go anywhere close to finding causation. Meanwhile we've got far more proof that health issues during a pregnancy can cause neurodevelopmental issues. So the reason for needing pain relief could be a hell of a lot more relevant. It's absolutely not the gold standard of science that he claims it is.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-the-research-says-about-tylenol-and-autism/

    "The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists said in a statement provided to CBS News on Friday that "there is no clear evidence that proves a direct relationship between the prudent use of acetaminophen during pregnancy and fetal developmental issues."

    "Neurodevelopmental disorders, in particular, are multifactorial and very difficult to associate with a singular cause," ACOG said. "Pregnant patients should not be frightened away from the many benefits of acetaminophen, which is safe and one of the few options pregnant people have for pain relief.""

    Now, if RFK comes out with the claim that autism is caused by vaccines which is completely debunked, will you be treating that as credible as well?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,040 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    It was Harvard University who claimed that they used the "gold standard" of analysis which "supported evidence of an association between acetaminophen exposure during pregnancy and increased incidence of NDDs." So yes, I think that is credible. Nothing got to do with RFK who, as i said, I didn't even know said anything about it when I replied to that post.

    This potential link was known about years ago, theres no need now to pretend its a conspiracy theory. As you say, fever and other ailments that paracetamol treat are also a risk. The point is to take the risk/benefits into account but be aware of them, not write them off. I took paracetamol myself when I was pregnant, its pretty much one of the only "safe" ways to treat pain and fever during pregnancy. Now because of this one side is going to eschew this drug, and the other is going to say "nothing see here, take as much as you want". People have lost their minds all over the place tbh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,652 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    What I posted is part of the conclusion of the actual paper… Any reason that you chose to ignore that there's a well established link between fevers and neurodevelopmental issues? Also let me just repeat the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists also agree there is no clear link between autism and paracetamol.

    Here's a study from Sweden from last year, across 2.5 million children with various neurodevelopmental disorders. No associations found between paracetamol use and neurodevelopmental disorders. So for RFK to definitively to find a link that the scientific community hasn't found is nonsense.

    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2817406



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,303 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    It probably means that Kash Patel will come out next week to say "Wait, I forgot to tell you, Trump has been working for us allllll along".

    The panic/audacity of Johnson to make that comment aside, the logical question would have been "What did the FBI have on Trump to make him an informant"?

    Not to mention that him having been an informant (he wasn't) should have been disclosed by his background checks in 2016 and disqualified him then.

    They're absolutely sh*tting themselves at how they can't control this story. Even the guy caught on tape saying all Republicans would be removed from the files before they were released is shining a light on them when they already feel deathly exposed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,652 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    I'm referring to this quote from the HHS. There's not anything close to a definitive link to autism and paracetamol. The study you linked to isn't even willing to state there is. An association does not equal a clear link. So the studies are interesting but it really doesn't establish anything strongly at all.

    "We are using gold-standard science to get to the bottom of America's unprecedented rise in autism rates. Until we release the final report, any claims about its contents are nothing more than speculation," the spokesperson said.

    Now I'll repeat, if he claims autism and vaccines are linked, will you justify it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,040 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    I didn't ignore the link between fevers and detrimental outcomes. Read my most recent post. Its obviously about risk/benefit assessment for each individual. Also, here is the "actual" conclusion from the most recent study that Harvard have conducted which states that

    Overall, the majority of the studies reported positive associations of prenatal acetaminophen use with ADHD, ASD, or NDDs in offspring, with risk-of-bias and strength-of-evidence ratings informing the overall synthesis.

    And

    Our analyses using the Navigation Guide thus support evidence consistent with an association between acetaminophen exposure during pregnancy and increased incidence of NDDs. Appropriate and immediate steps should be taken to advise pregnant women to limit acetaminophen consumption to protect their offspring’s neurodevelopment.

    This is from last month



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,223 ✭✭✭Field east


    Trump stated yesterday that it has won all of its wars including the first and second world wars and all the other wars before , during and after those wars. Of course the Vietnam , Afganistan and Iraq involvements were only minor skirmishes or as Putin would call them Special Military Operations!!!!!!!!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,652 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Except there's far more evidence for the underlying issues in terms of causation. The study you linked established correlation, it did not establish anything close to causation.

    Simple question, do you think the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists are lying and aren't up to date with the current research on the subject? Cause that sort of seems to be what you're saying. There's more than one study on this subject but you appear to be relying entirely on this one while ignoring the fact that numerous other studies state they can't find a causal link. In fact, if you check the study you're relying on. They only go as far as saying it's "plausible".

    So at the very least, RFK coming out with this is being unhelpful and muddying the waters. Then there's the people who will buy into it fully who will believe that using pain relief caused their child's autism or ADHD or whatever. Or they'll outright choose to go through a fever while pregnant which is hardly safe... Now, if he tries to link autism and vaccines, will you justify it? He's done it before.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,373 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    He's not debasing them, he's debasing himself and the country.

    Like, I've always thought it's absurd to hear people in Parliament use terms like "My Honourable Friend" and "The Honourable Gentleman" but it's hell of a lot more preferable to a decomposing imbecile say "Crooked Hilary" for the 20,139th time.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,671 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Interesting article in the Telegraph sourced from the NYT about Trump I sanctioning a U.S. Navy Seal operation on the N. Korean coast that went wrong, resulting in the shooting dead of three civilian fishermen by the Seals.

    "US Navy Seals killed three North Koreans in a botched mission to plant a listening device to spy on Kim Jong-un.

    The American commandos used submarines to sneak onto a North Korean beach in the dead of night and install equipment to intercept the dictator’s communications, the New York Times reported.

    The 2019 mission, carried out by the team that killed Osama bin Laden, was personally signed off by Donald Trump during tense nuclear talks between his administration and North Korea.

    It was designed to give the US the upper hand with intelligence but went spectacularly wrong – leaving three civilians dead."

    Navy Seals botched mission to plant spy device in North Korea

    Post edited by Cyclingtourist on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,939 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    So,the story is that trump was an informant in something that trump says didn’t happen ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,132 ✭✭✭Stanley 1


    Ireland cannot survive on agriculture alone, they need the MNCs and US needs the EU marketplace for their tech and pharmas, maybe attract similar companies from different countries but its a cutthroat game courting these types.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,373 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    What indigenous industry would this be? There's a reason all of the big, innovative companies are American. There are already incentives in place at the national and European level to encourage domestic businesses but there's a reason Europe lags behind the US when it comes to tech.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,397 ✭✭✭newhouse87


    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/05/immigration-ice-raid-hyundai-georgia

    This gets better and better, i consider myself conservative but this **** is ridiculous. He tells foreign companies to build in America and then gets ICE to arrect them when they do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,223 ✭✭✭Field east


    why would Trump ‘kick’ Epstein out of his Mara Lago pad if he was in an undercover mode to try and trap him for the FBI ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,569 ✭✭✭blackcard


    I also forgot Mike Johnson, the smarmy apolologist for the fascist regime. Like so many people in the Trump team, can hardly utter a sentence without lying. A hypocrite of the highest order.

    Witkoff. Utterly out of his depth. Being played like a fiddle by Putin. Totally incompetent in his role



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,132 ✭✭✭Stanley 1


    Epstein wanted favours returned for delivering Melania, Trump does not pay anyone least of all return favours to suckers, he's a 6 time bankrupt, Epstein had the goods on Trump, probably some excellent vids, he pushed Trump too far, probably others and got taken out, permanently.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,539 ✭✭✭✭fullstop


    But RFK thinks vaccines cause autism. Whether he has explicitly said it or not, he has at least dog whistled the fact that he does.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,749 ✭✭✭Lewis_Benson


    The clown show continues....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,373 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    RFK is easily one of the worst human beings in that administration and that's a seriously low bar to slither under. He intervened in a Measles outbreak in Samoa to convince the government that the vaccine was the problem. 83 children died.

    He's a monster.

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    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,916 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    I'd argue that the better education system in Europe (better outcomes, higher literacy rates) means Europe doesn't need to go down the mandate route to achieve herd immunity, where there is anti-vax sentiment in Europe, it's mostly limited to a few whackos and grifters who fall for idiocy being spouted by people like Wakefield.

    In the US, poor education means without mandates means that herd immunity will be lost and lots more children and adults will die or have lifelong ailments as a result of that. Better education would work but would take a generation or more and the country is going away from that anyway with the department of education being closed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,652 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Still have a strong feeling that if he comes out and says vaccines cause autism, we'll have the same protesters praising him.

    Realistically the causative factor for something like autism is not likely to be one thing but the most dominant is simply genetics. Increases in diagnoses are simply that it's spotted when it might not have been recognized previously. Plus then there's the gender aspect where it simply wasn't recognized in girls.

    I also loath how they're basically treating neurodiverse people as if they're a burden that needs to be cured...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,772 ✭✭✭amandstu


    When you see Zuckerberg's hot mic aside to Trump ** the question is "what is actually genuine" about process in this "administration " ?

    On a positive note my dream last night featured a Trump who had either resigned or was in the process of so doing.

    It was a relaxed affair :-)

    ** to paraphrase "was my lie good enough,Lord Chum?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,772 ✭✭✭amandstu


    I understand there is a spectrum in autism where some people function well with the "illness" and others need help.

    I wonder what other illnesses bear comparison with it ?

    Would it be correct to describe it as a syndrome,perhaps?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,652 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Neurodevelopmental condition would be what tends to describe it. It's definitely not considered an illness. But yep, you'll get more extreme scenarios or milder symptoms where it's simply adapting how you live somewhat. You get a huge overlap between it and things like ADHD, dyspraxia, dyslexia etc.

    But in plenty of technical fields from technology to music, you get plenty of neurodiverse people. So plenty do fair well and providing supports in education etc is more important than declarations of what RFK thinks on a given day. In fact I'd view the latter as harmful, it just gives the idea that it's necessary to prevent neurodiverse people existing in the first place.

    Rant over..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,599 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    Would he be the first president whose death would lead to celebration in the streets? I genuinely believe you'd have a multi million no kings March if he died tomorrow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,373 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Yes.

    Outside the MAGA cult, you have Americans who are watching their country get debased and their standard of living drop.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,599 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    Of course you'd still have Vance there and ghouls like Miller in the background. The cabinet would eat each other alive but you'd still have the threat of election interference from the GOP. It wouldn't solve the problem.



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