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Presidential Election 2025

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Well, yes, in the period that Jim Gavin was talking about, George Redmond was the go-to man for developers.

    It all came out in the Tribunals.

    Of course, there is also any number of conspiracy theories that you might want to spin, including the one about the PIRA taking their cut.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    They will leak left-wing votes to Connolly for a start, they will leak GAA votes to Gavin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,627 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The Mahon Tribunal

    found that former Taoiseach Bertie Ahern failed to "truthfully" explain source of money and it rejected his evidence of "dig-outs", and that former EU commissioner Pádraig Flynn "wrongly and corruptly" sought donation from Tom Gilmartin.[6] It stated that a decision in 1992 by Pat Rabbitte, then a Democratic Left TD, to return a donation of IR£2,000 to Frank Dunlop was "commendable and correct".[16]

    Five councillors are specifically named as having received corrupt payments. These are Fianna Fáil councillors Tony Fox, Colm McGrath, Don Lydon and G. V. Wright; and Fine Gael's Tom Hand.[20]

    It established that Davy Stockbrokers, throughout the 1980s and 1990s, made a series of payments to the corrupt politician Liam Lawlor.[21]

    After the publication of the final report, Fianna Fáil sought to expel any of its members that were found to have received corrupt payments. Bertie Ahern, Pádraig Flynn, G. V. Wright, Don Lydon, Finbarr Hanrahan and John Hannon all resigned from Fianna Fáil before they could be expelled.

    [24]

     Fine Gael Councillor Anne Devitt said she was stepping aside from her party, while it carries out its own internal inquiries into the tribunal's findings.

    [24]



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Gavin is talking about the time that his parents moved to Clondalkin, that would have been in the 1970s, when Redmond was in full flow.

    You are talking about a different time, spinning facts to create a conspiracy theory.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,627 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    When his parents moved to Clondalkin 'there were green fields on the banks of the canal'

    He is clearly talking about what happened after the 70's.

    Not for me to be questioned on what he meant, let's see what Jim has to say when he is questioned. I don't think 'It was all George's fault' is going to be an acceptable answer.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,161 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Obviously SF can't pick any of the "Shadow of a gunman" brigade. But top of my head is there any real reason Lynn Boylan had not been put forward by the party.

    Female so less threatening to the electorate, under 50 not involved in the troubles, and from Dublin which gives her a wider appeal. She doesn't seem as annoying as MLMD either.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,627 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Doesn't strike me as somebody particularly interested in the role.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    I am correct, Jim Gavin was born in Clondalkin in 1971, he went to school in Clonburris National School in Clondalkin. His parents would have moved there in the late 1960s from Clare. His father won a Clare County Championship in 1964 so we can accurately place the date as sometime between 1964 and 1971.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Gavin_%28Gaelic_footballer%29

    Bertie Ahern was a teenager when they moved, so once again, you have been caught up in a complete lie. It is tiresome nonsense once again. Liam Lawlor wasn't elected to anything until 1977. Flynn was elected to the Dail in 1977 for the first time.

    George Redmond started working for Dublin Corporation in 1941, he was well ensconsed by the late 1960s and was in the pocket of several developers.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Redmond

    You are telling porkies and lies again and again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 372 ✭✭rdser


    Heather humphries pretty poor on the news at one just now imo. Maybe she's just a bit rusty after her rest from politics. Certainly wouldn't be a shoe in based on that interview.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,627 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    You said, he was talking about Redmond based on when his parents moved to Clondalkin.

    That is a liberty you are taking.

    Let's see what Gavin was talking about when he is questioned.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭mikep


    HH was on the news at 1 on radio 1 and was getting a grilling on past actions like an appointment to a state role (can't remember the individual involved) and her involvement in passing a letter on for someone convicted of animal cruelty...it'll be very telling how she deals with these being asked about repeatedly.

    They also asked her position on a United Ireland where she mentioned that we need "a United people " first so I expect to hear that repeated each time she is asked this..

    In all, to me, she didn't come across that well for someone with her years of experience..but she didn't mess it up either..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,146 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    Dublin City Council Special Meeting to hear requests for presidential nomination on 15th September 2025 https://dublin.moderngov.co.uk/mgConvert2PDF.aspx?ID=49113 requests must be submitted 10 days before



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,627 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    John McNulty was the guy's name.

    She never interviewed particularly well and that was poor tbh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,809 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    You're guessing really. I won a championship in 92 in longford but I was living in London. Gavin could easily be talking about the boom of the early 00s.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,146 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    Reading about Eoin “the Pope” O’Mahony who attempted to get council nominations in 1966 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eoin_O%27Mahony_%28politician%29

    an Irish barrister, local councillor, and genealogist. He was well known as a "wit, raconteur, [and] fighter for hopeless causes

    the only other person before Dana to attempt (and succeed) to gain the required nominations was https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_McCartan

    Post edited by expectationlost on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,627 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I seriously doubt a genuine FFer would make a comment like that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 535 ✭✭✭myfreespirit


    All in the perception of the listener, I suppose.

    I listened to Heather and thought she did a reasonable job in answering the questions put to her, without any bluster or deflection.

    In particular, she is correct about uniting people, if we seek to create a true peaceful republic where everyone participates



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,627 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    In particular, she is correct about uniting people, if we seek to create a true peaceful republic where everyone participates

    Nice idea but it just hands a veto to the belligerent and everybody else has to put up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,809 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    In what way does it present anyone with a veto?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,627 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    All those opposed to a UI have to do is react angrily to everything that is done to heal division. It would delay unity of yhe people rather than hasten it.
    A charter to do nothing about a UI, which is what Heather and her party have done.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,429 ✭✭✭jmcc


    It is an FF problem not an SF problem. Martin, not Gavin, seems to be the one being challenged. Both the Indo and the Business Post had articles on this. Some in FF who owe their ministerial positions to Martin have backed Gavin. Other FFers have not. Kelleher has gained the necessary support to force an selection contest. John Deasy (former FG minister) thinks that it could become a ballot on Martin's leadership.

    The failure by Martin to impose his candidate without a vote has damaged his leadership. As would be expected, those who owe their positions to Martin backed his candidate. Other FF TDs, councillors and senators will be looking to the next election. Gavin, in the presidential election, has to remain ahead of Humphreys in votes. That might have been made somewhat easier by FG's selection of Humphreys over a proven vote magnet like Kelly. FG transfers could end up helping the FF candidate. The theory behind Gavin's imposition as FF candidate does tie in with what Martin has been saying for the last few months about FF endorsing an non-FF candidate. FG has doe the opposite and selected a candidate to replace McGuinness who is popular within FG. Gavin becoming a card-carrying FFer seems to be a concession to those who are challenging Martin's decision.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 560 ✭✭✭dublincc2


    Yes she is running. Aontú and many independents are backing her.

    Better chance of getting on the ballot than Delehanty as of now.

    A lot of people write off Maria Steen because of her Catholicism and socially conservative views and think that’s a total non-starter. This isn’t 2019 anymore. Lots of people including a surprising amount of young first time voters have such views, if anything as a generational backlash against the dogma of their parents and school.

    The people who dismiss a Steen presidency out of hand are the same who 18 months ago would’ve been cock sure that the referendums would’ve been a resounding victory for Yes/Yes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,146 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    Heather interviewed on RTE covers housing, united ireland, mcnulty, animal abuse letter.

    https://www.rte.ie/radio/radio1/clips/22541733/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,416 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    'many independents'.


    So far she has three Oireachtas members. Aontú and Carol Nolan. Assuming Sharon Keogan, Gillian Tuathill and Ronan Mullen will back her also. That's 6. Where are the other 14 coming from?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,809 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    But that's a sign of a democratic party tbf. Imposition means dictating. I'm sure he'd have been delighted with the whole party backing his candidate, but they didn't, much the same as the whole country won't vote for the same candidate, that's the democratic process. I d actually agree with you if all of the party joined in unison with him and just accepted Gavin with open arms. My reference to SF is the fact that we know nothing of who's interested in running, if anyone. A few who haven't ruled themselves out ok. But we nothing of the political process involved in their decision on whom if any are trying to get nominated for them. Lack of clarity on the process smacks more of imposition of a candidate than the democratic process FF are going through!"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 372 ✭✭rdser


    Not any better on a second listen imo.

    Not sure the FG Mammy thing is going to wash with too many people TBH.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭harryharry25


    SF not airing their internal politics in the media is a good thing imo

    If they field a candidate you can back them or not

    Just because FF and FG go to the media with anything and everything, does not mean other parties have to be so stupid



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,026 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    Really the " young first time voters" buy in to Catholism and all that you reckon! When are the churchgoers just going to raise their eyes and look around them, young, and not so young, people are simply not going to church anymore and no amount of bluffing or pretending or trendy maybe( trendy 30 years ago) folk masses will change that. And it's not just down to the horrific abuse carried out by the clergy, people simply don't believe any of that religious nonsense anymore.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,900 ✭✭✭KaneToad


    I didn't think she did badly in it. She didn't excel in it either. It was a bit of a non event - which, for most politicians, is a win.

    She doesn't come across as particularly personable but she doesn't come across as hateful either. She's an Irish version of John Major. Based on the current potential runners & riders, I can see her winning. But the campaign itself will likely through up a few gems that may change the narrative.

    I think FF are chickening out by not choosing a FF politician.



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,287 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    None of the "non-party" types have a hope of getting a nomination.

    Every single FF, FG, Labour and SD councilor will vote against them as they are running their own candidates.

    That makes getting a majority in any council a statistical impossibility.

    There will be 3 Candidates - Gavin/Kelleher , Humphreys and Connolly , with the outside chance that SF throw in a sacrificial lamb.

    No other candidate has a path to a nomination , simple as that.



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