Dairy Chitchat 4, an udder new thread.

If he does there'll be bondage or animal rights ones crowing about it.

Maybe Private message.

They are on most farm supply websites anyway.

he’s paid back 2m to the banks. I’d say he knows what he’s talking about

that’s where management comes into it boss …a man with your knowledge and experience would figure it out quick enough …for what it’s worth I’ve little issue with cows cleaning out paddocks …you train them into a routine early in the year and they get used to it quick enough

cow and management of her ….on top of grass and ensuring you have top quality forages are key …..getting advice from the right people and places also key ….so much to learn re grass management from low input grass based farmers but you need a different set of skills to manage a high input/output cow …..I’m aiming for an 8 k litre 630/650 kgms cow in spring based system I’ll get close this year …..that target is achievable without anything too extreme in management or feeding

there is ….and most at 470/500 plus are scale operations …..I’m not and have to make use of what I have ….Ive a relatively handy milk block and numerous outblicks ….450/500 kgms won’t cut it for me (allow investement in farm ….pay mortgage …drawings and keep my mothers rent paid …horses for courses .

I’m well set up for what I’m doing and have no issue with the buffer feeding etc …don’t add much to my day …and I’m making a few quid …that’s all tgat matters to me

tbh it’s just the way the dice rolled for me ….Ive always had keen eye on breeding and managing cows ,trying things out ,grassland management ,animal nutrition

We’ve never had a big block of ground where cow nos could be driven on ….ill be honest milking 100s of cow didn’t appeal to me ….im happy to continue with circs 100 cows ….ive things set up for that and a single labour unit ,I’ve been very lucky in that I’ve got very good relief Milkers and lots young lads around to help in spring ….my off farm job was huge help before full time darming….i worked for some complete arsehokes of managers and line managers etc and also some great ones ….gave me an idea of what it’s like to work for someone else ….how they treat you …and how you respond to good and bad ones …I’ve patience to train up people to how I do things …when to bark at them and also when to compliment them ….you treat people well and look after them you’ll get relief Milkers and help

When I took over nuts/bolts of farm where very good and I had to continue ift and just modernise the place so I just dived straight in borrowed heap of money and put facilities in place for where I now am ….that debt now more/less gone after 12 years ….what’s dictating where I’m now at is nitrates …I want to hold cow nos ….so young stock been contract reared ….i like the type of cow I’m working with now and enjoy it ….i wouldn’t get the same kick out of say a jex type cow tbh

Ha I doubt it . They are a temporary thing like a crutch for a broken leg . As soon as they build up strength in the muscle again I take them off.

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Far better off in a good full time job with about 18 days a month to work.

Well in fairness 30k probably living at home no commute to work own boss good inheritance coming down the road jobs are all not made out to be bosses can be pure bad people all the money you hear is hype.Next recession you could be on dole even high paid jobs after tax .

are you qualified at anything, if not consider an apprenticeship or even getting a job with a small building contractor where you’d get experience in all different jobs, if you’re into farming then physical and outdoor work would suit you anyway. If you leave and go off working for a few years he might change his tune and in the meantime you’ll have learned skills that you’ll use for the rest of your life. You’ll probably be building or doing up a house at some stage so you could end up doing a lot of it yourself and having good contacts to do the rest. Always plenty of jobs on the side too because most people these days haven’t hands to tie their laces. Just something to consider.

Isn't it a sad indictment of agriculture to hear the advise people(myself included) are giving. You really would need to be half mad and 💯 in love with farming to want to spend your life at it. ......now granted im probably both of the above .but still

Have seen your posts on here before about all that alright, tough situation but exactly that its ok now but when im looking for a mortgage 30k not enough and like that too much money going out be nearly as far on leasing a place than dealing with all that goes with it and still being dictated on what you can and cant do and then hold onto 20 acres to have a hold on everything until they pass, dealing with that also with a grandfather, im not sure but looking ahead its hard deal with the arguments, being dictated to farm this way like we'v always done, not being allowed do what's needed to make things easy on farm , listening to negativity every day then on the other side of it not being allowed do things that friends are doing while they are on a lot more money and more time off. Hard win love farming and all that but feel it doesn't have to be a slog and hardship just because my father/grandfather dealt with hardship and no time off all their lives. Went picnic this weekend and came home every morning to do the feeding and sort where cows were going but still game over stuff gone off all weekend seemingly… but yeah at times i think i should have pulled away years ago but feel i could be saying that about now in years too,,

Possibly the most logical post you'v typed in a while, all this is true too but it comes at a fair cost of lifestyle when young wouldnt mind the heavy going if getting paid fairly for it this craic of youl be getting the farm doesnt pay for much at the moment …

I'm not and have alway considered doing apprenticeship but could never get away from farm fully, Covid screwed me, did green cert during covid and it was mostly online so got relied on at home big time from young age and could never get away.. I do AI and freezebranding a bit on the side but im the worst in the world when i go away at that always starts a war when im away from farm so its barely worth it. Good option though I may look into it more